Cityrail Guards - Rights?

[TVR-190]

My mate was pulled aside by a train guard today and was told to produce I.D.

I just wondering what rights train guards actually have because i was under the impression that a passenger doesnt legally have to present I.D to anyonen but a police officer?

[vnv8driver]

simple tell them you have no id, they cant do **** but kick you off the train and/or give you a ticket. say your names jo blo......


Im not sure on the actual laws of that but id assume its the same as a security guard, they cant do things likethat but can hold you under arrest until police arrive.

[TVR-190]

So they can detain you huh,

am i also correct in saying that they cant legally touch you. unless in self defence

[pow3rslave]

in melbourne they can detain your until police arrive, and i think they can detain you until you can produce ID, although this may be part of the cops arriving bit.

down here they're big fans of some old fashioned throw you down with a knee on the throat action. pretty fascist if you ask me, and they generally don't give any lenience if you couldn't buy a ticket at your station due to faulty equipment.

[TVR-190]

hardly anyone in sydney buys a ticket

i was on the train and the guards were coming and people just started getting up and walking to the other end of the train. then get off at the next stop.

But the train system is such a failure here i dont blame them for not buying a ticket

[CSP]

Good on em I say! So many little ******** Y gens think they can do or say anything they want, and get away with anything!!!

[TVR-190]

i didnt mention a specific generation.

There were 35year olds in suits heading the other way when they saw the train guards checking tickets........

[VrWagz1]

Last i heard cause they were whinging a while back, because they have no right to make people show i.d. and they couldnt even detain them because they are not allowed to touch them. But i dont know if from that whinge a while back if they actully did anything to change the laws for them

[CSP]

i didnt mention a specific generation.

There were 35year olds in suits heading the other way when they saw the train guards checking tickets........

My post was meant for the OP, not your ticket evaders. I agree with them in Sydney! No point paying for crap, never on time, service.

[stocky]

My post was meant for the OP, not your ticket evaders. I agree with them in Sydney! No point paying for crap, never on time, service.

he never mentioned anything about his mate complaining about doing whatever he wants. he was just asking a question about a persons rights.

what makes you think the OP is talking about a "gen Y" person anyway?

[CSP]

Just the scenario I pictured is all... No big deal.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

They have the power of arrest and work in conjunction with the Police on targeted lines specified by RailCorp and Police intelligence. They have the power to issue penalty notices for ticketing, safety, behavioural, property & compliance offences and have the power to ask people to leave trains and stations.

BUT funny thing I found out whilst googling this:

FINES issued by railway transit officers could be invalid because the officers do not have the power to demand an offender's date of birth.

They also lack the power to demand to see identification, meaning anyone pinched for fare evasion or smoking on a platform could give Mickey Mouse as their name and Disneyland as their address......Another transit officer told The Sun-Herald that, without an offender's date of birth, officers could not fill in the section of the ticket that was sent to the Infringement Processing Bureau.

"We have no power to ask for a date of birth but invariably when we ask, people tell us," he said. "We also don't have the power to ask for ID but, like with the date of birth, people tell

There is also nothing on the Cityrail website stating that ID must be produced, only concession cards and/or tickets as requested, so in short they can ask but you do not have to give it to them

[nicko]

iv been asked for id on a train only once, i told them i didnt have it and offrered to call the police for them if they wanted to take it further. Its not an offence to travel without id unless you have a student ticket etc. I would be making a complaint if i was touched by any train/bus/tram ticket staff, i wouldnt resist but i wouldnt let them get near me. i guess thats because i get edgy when im in enclosed areas etc.

[TVR-190]

i read an article saying they were going to their union so they could get permission to carry a baton

[nicko]

i read an article saying they were going to their union so they could get permission to carry a baton

LOL, i hope they get permission. One of them will have a power trip and hit someone and be taken to court. lol i love this sort of stuff, stick it to the man

[Low_VX_Taxi]

i read an article saying they were going to their union so they could get permission to carry a baton

the reason they can't carry it is due to most current batons have to be extended, try doing that in a crowded train whilst aproaching an armed/violent offender..... The old school one piece ones were banned I believe... correct me if I am wrong

[vnv8driver]

what are you doing catching the train anyway??? is it easier then parking in the cbd or somehting?

[vnv8driver]

The old school one piece ones were banned I believe... correct me if I am wrong

ive got one under my bed and there very hard mate, very! about 20cm long, black and shaped like a baseball bat...

[vnv8driver]

and no its not a dildo you sick ****s.....

[Grennan]

Yeah i know in Melbourne they cant detain you untill police arrive if you either refuse to present ID, or dont have ID on you. Its funny on trams, the inspectors get on and they are always 3 little indian blokes. They ask you for a ticket you just walk off the tram.

[stocky]

Yeah i know in Melbourne they cant detain you untill police arrive if you either refuse to present ID, or dont have ID on you. Its funny on trams, the inspectors get on and they are always 3 little indian blokes. They ask you for a ticket you just walk off the tram.

ive seen on the trains, the signs saying inspectors have the right to detain you, etc etc. i wonder if its all bull crap so you feel compelled to tell them the truth in the first place

[vnv8driver]

^ ive only caught the train a few times over the span ofmylife and jumped every single one, the way i look at it its a courtesy means of transport! ...never once seen a ticket inspector or guard, i was even ****ed one night and was in the front room with the driver and he was showing me how they drive them and little tricks you may never guess...like radars for trains, the same as car radars!

[stocky]

you see them sometimes in melbourne. never on peak hour though, cause they wouldnt be able to move through the carriages. but the station i get off at, you need a ticket to get through the gate things, and sometimes theyll have the guards there watching. also, if you use a concession ticket, a light comes on and they jump at you asking to see your card.

[vnv8driver]

the only station that has guards checking tickets here is when your leaving central station in the cbd (gates) otherwise ive never seen any guards on a train before in qld.... i hate trains and bus's anyway always avoid them.

[Grennan]

ive seen on the trains, the signs saying inspectors have the right to detain you, etc etc. i wonder if its all bull crap so you feel compelled to tell them the truth in the first place

My mate told them a bull**** name and they said he has to wait with them till the cops get there, as soon as the train stopped he bolted out the door.

The only station ive seen people checking tickets is Melbourne Central.

The only reason i go to the city is to drink and im usually all covered in chains, studs and spikes so if they want to detain me be my guest. I usually just buy a ticket though its like $2.50.