Cityrail Guards - Rights?

[TroyRulz007]

My mate was pulled aside by a train guard today and was told to produce I.D.

I just wondering what rights train guards actually have because i was under the impression that a passenger doesnt legally have to present I.D to anyonen but a police officer?

[vnv8driver]

simple tell them you have no id, they cant do **** but kick you off the train and/or give you a ticket. say your names jo blo......


Im not sure on the actual laws of that but id assume its the same as a security guard, they cant do things likethat but can hold you under arrest until police arrive.

[TroyRulz007]

So they can detain you huh,

am i also correct in saying that they cant legally touch you. unless in self defence

[pow3rslave]

in melbourne they can detain your until police arrive, and i think they can detain you until you can produce ID, although this may be part of the cops arriving bit.

down here they're big fans of some old fashioned throw you down with a knee on the throat action. pretty fascist if you ask me, and they generally don't give any lenience if you couldn't buy a ticket at your station due to faulty equipment.

[TroyRulz007]

hardly anyone in sydney buys a ticket

i was on the train and the guards were coming and people just started getting up and walking to the other end of the train. then get off at the next stop.

But the train system is such a failure here i dont blame them for not buying a ticket

[Cousin Slow Poke]

Good on em I say! So many little ******** Y gens think they can do or say anything they want, and get away with anything!!!

[TroyRulz007]

i didnt mention a specific generation.

There were 35year olds in suits heading the other way when they saw the train guards checking tickets........

[VrWagz1]

Last i heard cause they were whinging a while back, because they have no right to make people show i.d. and they couldnt even detain them because they are not allowed to touch them. But i dont know if from that whinge a while back if they actully did anything to change the laws for them

[Cousin Slow Poke]

Originally Posted by TroyRulz007

i didnt mention a specific generation.

There were 35year olds in suits heading the other way when they saw the train guards checking tickets........

My post was meant for the OP, not your ticket evaders. I agree with them in Sydney! No point paying for crap, never on time, service.

[stocky]

Originally Posted by Cousin Slow Poke

My post was meant for the OP, not your ticket evaders. I agree with them in Sydney! No point paying for crap, never on time, service.

he never mentioned anything about his mate complaining about doing whatever he wants. he was just asking a question about a persons rights.

what makes you think the OP is talking about a "gen Y" person anyway?

[Cousin Slow Poke]

Just the scenario I pictured is all... No big deal.

[TTRMC]

Originally Posted by http://www.cityrail.info/fares/evasion_faq.jsp

They have the power of arrest and work in conjunction with the Police on targeted lines specified by RailCorp and Police intelligence. They have the power to issue penalty notices for ticketing, safety, behavioural, property & compliance offences and have the power to ask people to leave trains and stations.

BUT funny thing I found out whilst googling this:

Originally Posted by http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/05/03/1209235226975.html

FINES issued by railway transit officers could be invalid because the officers do not have the power to demand an offender's date of birth.

They also lack the power to demand to see identification, meaning anyone pinched for fare evasion or smoking on a platform could give Mickey Mouse as their name and Disneyland as their address......Another transit officer told The Sun-Herald that, without an offender's date of birth, officers could not fill in the section of the ticket that was sent to the Infringement Processing Bureau.

"We have no power to ask for a date of birth but invariably when we ask, people tell us," he said. "We also don't have the power to ask for ID but, like with the date of birth, people tell

There is also nothing on the Cityrail website stating that ID must be produced, only concession cards and/or tickets as requested, so in short they can ask but you do not have to give it to them

[nicko]

iv been asked for id on a train only once, i told them i didnt have it and offrered to call the police for them if they wanted to take it further. Its not an offence to travel without id unless you have a student ticket etc. I would be making a complaint if i was touched by any train/bus/tram ticket staff, i wouldnt resist but i wouldnt let them get near me. i guess thats because i get edgy when im in enclosed areas etc.