Are only Commodore drivers labelled hoons?

[ClairBear]

Those is Adelaide would be aware of this accident:

AdelaideNow... Teen death car clipped kerb, airborne at 140km/h

What offends my senses is the distinct lack of the word hoon.

Yes it is a tragic accident with the loss of a life and I am sorry for the family. A young man lies in hospital now waiting to hear his fate in the hands of the court, knowing he has to live with the fact he killed someone because he was showing off in his new modified car.

But, I am still annoyed that had this been a Commodore, you can bet your bottom dollar the word 'hoon' would have appeared somewhere.

[Philthy]

It's adelaide, the word hoon won't catch on there for 6 months yet.

I think skyline and wrx drivers almost a worse name than us commodore drivers, but the only difference there is that they actually are all hoons

[Cursed CX8]

It doesnt matter what he is labeled, The kids dead... In a way i hope that his life lost saves another 10 maybe 15. All of his mates will think twice before putting their foot down, and im guessing so will the 15 youths that witnessed the accident.

Its tragic to see these accidents constantly happening and something needs to be dont about it, but restricting passengers and curfews is not the way to do it.
Reading the article is mentions that Victoria has restricted its P platers, it doesnt mention that the curfew and passenger restrictions are only for the first 12 months.

[SAV_117]

nah hoon gets used quite a bit here just like sashyre said when commies are involved

[ClairBear]

It's adelaide, the word hoon won't catch on there for 6 months yet.

I assume you are being sarcastic, as we do have articles here about hoons. I have an electronic copy from 2005 front page of the Advertiser talking about a Commodore club and having cars impounded under the anti-hoon laws.

[SAV_117]

i think the passenger thing is bull**** for example how are we meant to be sensible when alcohol is involved there limiting options

[Cursed CX8]

I agree with that, I nearly always end up designated driver when we (me and my very close friends) go out. Im on my P's but dont have any stupid restrictions on passengers or curfew, where as my friends either have utes, passenger restrictions or are too scared to drive their car. Not ****, iv got a mate with a vr stato, 300,000kms on it and flaking paint but he wont drive it to the CBD because it might get scratched lol

[Philthy]

I assume you are being sarcastic, as we do have articles here about hoons. I have an electronic copy from 2005 front page of the Advertiser talking about a Commodore club and having cars impounded under the anti-hoon laws.

Yeah, I was being sacrastic.

It's a shame a kid had to lose his life in this case, but I've said it before that often young drivers need a scare to wake them up to the responsibilities of getting behind the wheel. I know I did!
Things like this effect so many people, not just the drivers and passengers, but their families, the witnesses, emergency crew (see the comment from the cop in the link). you can be sure the drivers life will never be the same again no matter what happens

[fitz_vt]

yes also living in adelaide i am a sensible commodore driver but still get classed as a hoon just because i drive a commodore

[Julie]

I think commodores have much more of a stigma of being a bogans hoon car, much more than say fords. I do think is its somewhat justified though because the commodore does seem to be the typical young bogan hoons weapon of choice. I reckon the imports get a bashing too as hoon cars but you automatically associate them with fullysikhecticbros rather than bogans. I can't say I have seen commodores being singled out by media as a hoons car, probably more prevalent as there seem to be more tossers driving them. If anything I would say that it is only young drivers that get the hoon label. An 18 year old p plater could do something bad and a 50 year old could do the same thing but its only the p plater that is labelled a hoon .

[Torquen]

If anything I would say that it is only young drivers that get the hoon label. An 18 year old p plater could do something bad and a 50 year old could do the same thing but its only the p plater that is labelled a hoon .

Spot on julie.

[fnlow1]

Yes take away the high powered cars- that will stop the kiddies killing themselves on our roads...

FFS stop being such stingey bastards, if you are actually serious about reducing the road toll start with the following:

1. Mandatory defensive driving courses for all drivers under 21, or for the first three years of holding their license (must be completed once per year for three consecutive years)
2. Give young people a safe controlled environment to use their vehicle at a subsidised cost, with opportunities available weekly (Hello AIR?)
3. Minimum sentencing for all criminal offences- none of this pleading guilty for reduced sentence or community service bull****.

No one really cares about these kids killing themselves, hence why we won't see any rational initiatives introduced to stop the carnage. Instead policies that have more to do with vote grabbing and less to do with actual road safety will be introduced.

[Cobez]

Are only Commodore drivers labelled hoons?


Who ****ing cares. As long as YOU don't drive like a ********, why is there even any need to analyze it.

Everyone knows how these threads go. Round and around in circles, people get abusive, thread locked. Been asked and done a million times.

[Philthy]

No one really cares about these kids killing themselves, hence why we won't see any rational initiatives introduced to stop the carnage. Instead policies that have more to do with vote grabbing and less to do with actual road safety will be introduced.

Until it effects you personally. It's going to take a politicians kid killing himself before they look at actually teaching kidss how to drive properly instead of just increasing penalties all the time. I'm for manditory advanced driving courses

[commsirac]

Those is Adelaide would be aware of this accident:

AdelaideNow... Teen death car clipped kerb, airborne at 140km/h

What offends my senses is the distinct lack of the word hoon.
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How can that article possibly be offensive, it is reported exactly like it happened? Did the word hoon need to be used, the whole thing seemed to be reported in detail, ie the illegal drag strip etc, the heading "Teen death car clipped kerb, airborne at 140km/h" leaves little for anyone to doubt that the vehicle was driven recklessly. Perhaps if there was only room for two words, then "Hoon dies" would have been chosen.......one can speculate, but what does it matter?

Get over it, worry about something important in life, like doing something constructive to solve the problem of irresponsible driving amongst young people, rather than worrying about the perceived image problem to responsible commodore drivers? When Grandpa's commodore drives through a shop window, no one is going to say another hoon incident are they?

Im sure the "anti-hoon" legislation doesnt have any age clauses written into it either.

The word hoon is not new to our venacularThere have been hoon cars before commodores(hotted up eh holdens in the 70s and toranas in the past and present) and there will be ones after the comms leave the ranks too! Ive driven hoon cars all my life!

[commsirac]

Until it effects you personally. It's going to take a politicians kid killing himself before they look at actually teaching kidss how to drive properly instead of just increasing penalties all the time. I'm for manditory advanced driving courses

That is ridiculous, where do they teach people how to drive at 140km/h and have kerbs anywhere near them and/or learn how to handle a car that is airborne.

Possibly even the best driver in the world may have lost control of the car doing what they were attempting to do. The obvious answer is to stop them driving fast in the 1st place, Im sure they would have stayed in control if they were doing the posted speed limit for that piece of road, the only training needed is the ability to match the posted limit with the number on the speedo!.

They dont know its dangerous? (are you kidding?) they dont think they'll get caught and the consequences wont be too severe if they do(Ill put my money on this one!)..... six months jail and car crushed(why not give it a go)

[Philthy]

That is ridiculous, where do they teach people how to drive at 140km/h and have curbs anywhere near them and/or learn how to handle a car that is airborne.

Possibly even the best driver in the world may have lost control of the car doing what they were attempting to do. The obvious answer is to stop them driving fast in the 1st place, Im sure they would have stayed in control if they were doing the posted speed limit for that piece of road, the only training needed is the ability to match the posted limit with the number on the speedo!.

They dont know its dangerous? (are you kidding?) they dont think they'll get caught and the consequences wont be too severe if they do(Ill put my money on this one!)..... six months jail and car crushed(why not give it a go)

My comment wasn't necessarily in relation to the crash in question, but I have seen too many friends have accidents where they were doing the speedlimit (60 - 80) and have had to avoid someone pulling out infront of them/pedestrian running out etc, then lose control. With you being above making mistakes, I'm sure you would never overcorrect or lockup the brakes, but young drivers are never taught how to deal with those situations

[Johnsy]

Can i ask what a Stobie pole is ? Is that what you guys/gals call a telegraph pole ?

[Philthy]

Can i ask what a Stobie pole is ? Is that what you guys/gals call a telegraph pole ?

Its a south aus telegraph pole made of steel and cement - if you hit it you will come off second best

[Stressball]

That is ridiculous, where do they teach people how to drive at 140km/h and have kerbs anywhere near them and/or learn how to handle a car that is airborne.

2. Give young people a safe controlled environment to use their vehicle at a subsidised cost, with opportunities available weekly (Hello AIR?)

Your point is moot, commsirac. Fnlow has already covered that. Somewhere to do it safely = less likelihood of doing it somewhere UNSAFELY.

[fnlow1]

That is ridiculous, where do they teach people how to drive at 140km/h and have kerbs anywhere near them and/or learn how to handle a car that is airborne.

Possibly even the best driver in the world may have lost control of the car doing what they were attempting to do. The obvious answer is to stop them driving fast in the 1st place, Im sure they would have stayed in control if they were doing the posted speed limit for that piece of road, the only training needed is the ability to match the posted limit with the number on the speedo!.

They dont know its dangerous? (are you kidding?) they dont think they'll get caught and the consequences wont be too severe if they do(Ill put my money on this one!)..... six months jail and car crushed(why not give it a go)

Your totally missing the point

[commsirac]

Your point is moot, commsirac. Fnlow has already covered that. Somewhere to do it safely = less likelihood of doing it somewhere UNSAFELY.

Not this ridiculous logic again: I suppose you are going to provide with me with a place where I can detonate bombs as well(its more fun than doing burnouts), just so I dont do it down at my suburban park........yeh stupid isnt it!

[greenfoam]

Embrace the word hoon, it wasn't a dirty word until our once good current affair shows turned to spam :0 so with that I'm out and going for a hoon to see my garden

[commsirac]

My comment wasn't necessarily in relation to the crash in question, but I have seen too many friends have accidents where they were doing the speedlimit (60 - 80) and have had to avoid someone pulling out infront of them/pedestrian running out etc, then lose control. With you being above making mistakes, I'm sure you would never overcorrect or lockup the brakes, but young drivers are never taught how to deal with those situations

you possibly have a point with the ^, though gradual upgrading of the fleet should make these techniques unnecessary to learn(unlike old codgers like myself who were let loose in drum braked crossplied sleds) What needs to be taught is the ability not to drive into pedestrians/ cars that pull out in front of us? why does this only happen to some drivers? and why is ther no difference in the stats with vehicles that have abs and those that dont? Yes, its all about driving according to the conditions around us(no it doesnt mean just being able to safely do 120km/h on a 110km/h freeway when no-one else is around) and predicting the behaviour of others. Regardless, it appears you agree it would have made little difference to the outcome with the hoon in the wrx, it probably even had abs?

[fnlow1]

Not this ridiculous logic again: I suppose you are going to provide with me with a place where I can detonate bombs as well(its more fun than doing burnouts), just so I dont do it down at my suburban park........yeh stupid isnt it!

Nope, how many youths do you see in Australia dead as a result of blowing **** up? Not as many as you see dead from driving dangerously thats for certain