new laws

[commsirac]

I can drive them anyway. But thats not the point.
The point is, half assed legislation that doesn't really stop the problem. All it does is stop honnest people from driving them.

No it wont stop the problem, but it will reduce the incidences of high powered cars being scraped from trees, as I mentioned b4, there are a lot of things that young hoons are attracted to on cars that makes them behave stupidly.....its just the engines are the easiest to make legislation on.

Stops honest people from driving them. So a new driver cant drive a v8, boohoo, what are they going to be missing out on if they abide by all the road rules and regulations? just the sound of the exhaust?.....just get them an exhaust track to play on the doof doof machine.

[STEALTHY™]

Yes, but you may be the rare exception to the rule. Most people I know don't even know what "V8" actually means, they just know anecdotally that it means you go faster.

Regardless, what I've been saying the whole time is that prohibiting V8's etc isn't going to totally stop idiots from being idiots, but it does at least limit the extent of their idiocy, and given there isn't any real argument for why P-platers should be allowed to drive hi-po cars, I don't see why it's such a good idea to oppose the idea of stopping inexperienced drivers from having access to vehicles which are potentially more dangerous?

A new Alloytec has more power than my V8, how is that a hypo car?

Soop is trying to say, the people who want to drive V8s, still will. They'll get their hands on it anyway they can. It wont limit anything. It WILL stop the people who just bought a V8 because they wanted that specific car (like me).

[danja]

A new Alloytec has more power than my V8, how is that a hypo car?

Soop is trying to say, the people who want to drive V8s, still will. They'll get their hands on it anyway they can. It wont limit anything. It WILL stop the people who just bought a V8 because they wanted that specific car (like me).

You say they still will, but it's worked here - the roads used to be full of vrroooom-pssst P-platers, seriously they were everywhere. Now there's been a couple of years to clear the backlog out I honestly can't recall seeing a single red P with a turbo in the past year.

People like you will just have to wait a couple of years and drive something a bit more tame (like an Alloytec - more power but less torque) in the mean time. Big deal!

[STEALTHY™]

What do you mean people like me? I have my full license!

The point i was making referring to you saying about a hipo car, when the alloytec is more powerful, yet would be quite legal within the restrictions.


An immature driver is an immature driver! With these restriction, all you'll end up with is 'older' immature drivers! Yet people who wouldn't have been a problem in the first place are inconvenienced.

Its fine, because thats the way this country is heading. Restrictions on everything. But crime will skyrocket as a result of this! One example, said 'younger' driver driving his V8, cops wanting to pull him over, and him running. Whereas if it was legal, there wouldn't be a need to run!

As i mentioned before, its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist!

[commsirac]

An immature driver is an immature driver! With these restriction, all you'll end up with is 'older' immature drivers!

Isnt that a good thing, if the immature P platers who are attracted to bright objects/fast cars who would have killed themselves earlier actually survive to be a bit older? So some of them might be just as stupid by the time they are a bit older, but the stats show most of them wise up by the age of 25 or so(some a bit longer).....that's what the regs are about.

Yet people who wouldn't have been a problem in the first place are inconvenienced. !

Perhaps make a list of these inconveniences.....just for everyone's entertainment.

One example, said 'younger' driver driving his V8, cops wanting to pull him over, and him running. Whereas if it was legal, there wouldn't be a need to run!

As i mentioned before, its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist!

Hopefully you wrote this just for a laugh and to indicate to as all that really every other point you raised throughout this thread was made in jest as well.

[danja]

What do you mean people like me? I have my full license!

I was using your words: "It WILL stop the people who just bought a V8 because they wanted that specific car (like me)". I wasn't implying anything further about you.

The point i was making referring to you saying about a hipo car, when the alloytec is more powerful, yet would be quite legal within the restrictions.

commsirac made a valid point earlier. A modern V6 might have more power than an old V8, the V8 still has an image attached to it which means the driver is more likely to hoon in it.

Its fine, because thats the way this country is heading. Restrictions on everything. But crime will skyrocket as a result of this! One example, said 'younger' driver driving his V8, cops wanting to pull him over, and him running. Whereas if it was legal, there wouldn't be a need to run!

Hasn't happened in NSW yet... sounds a bit far fetched to me. Someone thus inclined is just as likely to get pinged for speeding and do a runner so I don't buy that.

An immature driver is an immature driver! With these restriction, all you'll end up with is 'older' immature drivers! Yet people who wouldn't have been a problem in the first place are inconvenienced.

Isnt that a good thing, if the immature P platers who are attracted to bright objects/fast cars who would have killed themselves earlier actually survive to be a bit older? So some of them might be just as stupid by the time they are a bit older, but the stats show most of them wise up by the age of 25 or so(some a bit longer).....that's what the regs are about.

What he said.

[STEALTHY™]

Hasn't happened in NSW yet... sounds a bit far fetched to me. Someone thus inclined is just as likely to get pinged for speeding and do a runner so I don't buy that.

Not sure how much local news you guys get, but we get a fair bit of it. Its every other day theres a high speed chase there!

Its been proven with other things, like the hoon laws here.
It skyrocketed when, wait for it, our only track closed. Picture being painted much? Or is that just farfetched........


I don't get how the 'image' of a V8 being a hoons car will reduce the road toll. It will win you vote in an election however


Oh, and age doesn't matter. My ex's uncle nearly killed us doing 160 in his VN Clubby, car pulled out (not realising he was going that fast). this from a mid 40's guy! Its not the exception either!

[greenfoam]

Unless I'm not reading something right, those new laws mean a XU1 is P plate legal

[<RaBBiT>]

i do understand y they are doing this cos it is us younge drivers that are killing ourselfs and other's, but bringing in theses news laws and the other stupid laws isn't going to change anything, i think they should spend more time and effort in getting better driving instructor's and possible making things like advance driving lessons a must. i think teaching kids how to drive is more important than just finning them or forcing them to drive crap car's,

[Stressball]

The honest bloke who doesn't have any desire to go fast won't really care that much because he probably doesn't even know what a "V8" is!

That's a big generalisation, and an incorrect one. In my personal experience it's very uncommon to find ANYONE who doesn't know what a V8 is, especially men. Not to mention, a badge does not make people hoon/drive fast, their overconfidence does.

Seriously, waiting 3 years till you're off your P's to drive a performance car really isn't that bad is it? I don't see why people are getting so worked up - patience is a virtue!

Situations change. What is affordable but not legal now, may become legal but not affordable then Not so much running the car, but buying it. Not justification for removal of an entire part of the law I know, just pointing out it could be one reason why these laws could prevent a young driver from driving a V8 for longer than just the period of his or her P's.

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The entire restrictions thing boils down to simple facts:
- Any car can break the speed limit;
- Anybody who wants to drive like an idiot will do so in whatever car they have;
- Cars do not force behaviour on people. People force behaviour on cars;
- Nobody who wasn't already going to break the laws of the road would be 'coerced' into it just by driving a 'high performance' car;
- The only way to stop people from thinking they have skills that they really don't, and from thinking they are invincible, is to teach them so. Show them what happens, and make it relate to them. Don't show them a crash and just say "this is someone your age", because that doesn't relate to them enough to get through. Show them a graphic car crash and make them see exactly what leads up to it, by taking them through advanced/defensive driving courses.

No matter what car you restrict young people to driving, there will always be people who will break the laws, thinking nothing will happen to them. This is undeniable; for these people to be non-existant would mean no freedom of thought whatsoever. You cannot convince all the people, all the time. The best you can do is to convince as many as possible, not by imposing useless restrictions on them, but by actually TEACHING them what can happen, why it happens, and what sort of mindset and behaviour leads up to it. In order to get a licence you should be forced to sit through extremely graphic presentations of what happens in car crashes, because THAT scares people. That is the thing that will wake them up.

Better yet, photoshop their faces onto the crash photos. Give them a bit of a shock, and it won't leave their minds for a long time

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No it wont stop the problem, but it will reduce the incidences of high powered cars being scraped from trees

Damn straight. It will increase the incidences of smaller cars being scraped from trees too

[soop]

Great post stressball.

How many times to you smack a kids hand and tell them the stove is hot, before they touch it anyway and find out?