Hsv vs fpv

[Static89]

If i had the money i think i would seriously consider a F6 typhoon, because i like the idea of a turbo sedan and the F6 puts it to alot of 8's whyy havnt HSV come out with a decent turbo six??

sure they did the supercharged 6 thing but well, that wasn't as good as i hoped for, any ideas on why HSV haven't tapped int this market?

with the fuel prices slowly going up wouldn't you think HSV would cut down on the V8's and start putting more money into the turbo 6's??

assuming i had the money and there was a turbo 6 holden vs ford id go Holden if it was in the same league as ford, even if ford performed better. but as it is, id buy a XR6 turbo if i had the coin,


Whats your thoughts?

[Morton]

I don't think it's got anything to do with fuel prices. If you want 300kw, it's going to use roughly the same amount of fuel in a V8, an I6t, or a V6tt. I think it's mostly economics and finance. Holden has big daddy GM in the USA cranking out big pushrod V8s, and it's much cheaper to ship those over, than it is to develop a whole new engine for a relatively small market.

I think it's good the way it is right now. If you want a turbo 6, buy Ford. If you want a big V8, buy Holden. They're both cheaply built, both have their share of problems, and both look relatively average in styling terms.

[Static89]

im a big holden fan, ultimatly i like holden shape more, but the ford turbo 6's are really starting to draw my attention, just because im wanting more power, without the v8 sorta thing, i want something a little bit different, and i like 6's, dunno why o.0

[minux]

you do realise the turbo 6 is the equiv of a 6.8 litre V8 right?

Regardless, I have been test driving the new F6...if i can get the right price for the senator I will switch over, so far having trouble getting ford to come to the party.

[Cobez]

Errr, ANOTHER HSV vs FPV or Holden VS Ford thread.

Who cares.

[PaulSV6]

Mmmm Alloytec 190 turbo

[Morton]

Mmmm NA 304 in a VQ.

[Emackulation]

Mortons response took the words out of my mouth, FPV and HSV both have some decent cars, but it comes down to your powerplant preference, for me I beleive it will always be the V8.

[Morton]

Damn straight mack-factor. In fact, if you didn't like the V8 VQ so much, you wouldn't have it as your sig.

Booyeah. Hoist that up your sail and smoke it.

[Stressball]

Hoist that up your sail and smoke it.

You know, I once saw a documentary called '101 embarassing sexual accidents', maybe you should take a look... Something to do with genitalia, a rose, and backward-facing rose thorns

[Troy711]

Errr, ANOTHER HSV vs FPV or Holden VS Ford thread.

Who cares.

It would be better if we were comparing a VT XU6 to an FG Typhoon Cuz TheY R bOTh ForSHeD InDUkshuN!!!!!one!!!!

[minux]

It would be better if we were comparing a VT XU6 to an FG Typhoon Cuz TheY R bOTh ForSHeD InDUkshuN!!!!!one!!!!

lol, i think holden fail when it came to forshed undukti0n

[Johnsy]

I drove the F6 and also the G6E Turbo... They are quick but the HSV was a better car all round in looks and performance....

minux have you driven a new senator or are you comparing the FG to your VY ?

[Pub247]

you do realise the turbo 6 is the equiv of a 6.8 litre V8 right?

Regardless, I have been test driving the new F6...if i can get the right price for the senator I will switch over, so far having trouble getting ford to come to the party.

yep the best arguement ever in the ford v holden battle. i use it all the time against my mates who are ford fans. They say "look at how much power we make out of a six" and i say "what, a 6.8lt 6 cylinder?"

[minux]

I drove the F6 and also the G6E Turbo... They are quick but the HSV was a better car all round in looks and performance....

minux have you driven a new senator or are you comparing the FG to your VY ?

Have driven VE GTS, R8 and Senator, they have NOTHING on the feel or looks of the new F6. The Ford handles better, feels less clunky, feels more complete. I base how i feel about a car on actually driving them. Ive owned falcons and Holdens and will continue to switch. The VE is an ugly, cheap feeling car...even HSV have made it feel cheap. There is ZERO prestige about them, moreso now that the Senator will be even closer to just a calais with a bodykit.

[Johnsy]

Have driven VE GTS, R8 and Senator, they have NOTHING on the feel or looks of the new F6. The Ford handles better, feels less clunky, feels more complete. I base how i feel about a car on actually driving them. Ive owned falcons and Holdens and will continue to switch. The VE is an ugly, cheap feeling car...even HSV have made it feel cheap. There is ZERO prestige about them, moreso now that the Senator will be even closer to just a calais with a bodykit.

Fair enough.. i felt the same about the F6. I guess it does come down to personal preference...

although the G6E was a comfortable car to drive... the first gear in both G6E and the F6 just felt wrong....

[Low_VX_Taxi]

It would be better if we were comparing a VT XU6 to an FG Typhoon Cuz TheY R bOTh ForSHeD InDUkshuN!!!!!one!!!!

HA AH AHAHAHAHA Fell off my bloody chair

[Pub247]

The only complaint about the fords i have is paint. My mates old man got a yellow bf xr6t and the orange peel is hoorible if im paying $50,000 odd (guesstimate) for a car i'd want a decent paintjob on it

[alien]

Basically when it comes down to it though the V8s have more take off power, the turbos are only good when the engines have high RPM's (so you'll probably be close to speeding by the time the turbo does the work). Superchargers add power down the low RPM's and turbos at the top, so superchargers for drags, turbos for top speed. Go the Typhoon if you want speed (that will probably get you done under Hooning or excessive speeding) or a HSV if you want it for mainly drags.

[Brin]

I my uncle has the new xr6 turbo... Tis sh!te.

She only makes ten pounds of boost.......................

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

before xmas my girl got her hands on a ford turbo 6, she said it picked up a bit faster than my vs but she said that the vs felt better in general my argument was why would you want to buy a v6 with a stock turbo set up when you could buy a v8 and not only have the power on tap but also the sound and the pure brilliance of a v8 and you dont have to worry about the turbo blowing up and wrecking your engine, if you want boost you can allways supercharge or turbo the v8, i think the powerplant is inconcequential because now days there are so many ways to devalop lots of horsepower, so its down to the handling and feel

holly (my girl) said the ford felt lose and wallowey, it had the power but not the suspention or handling

sorry for the long post

oh 1 more thing i love the look of the VE it looks like a big ass black cat tryin to kill what ever is in front of it, staunch very staunch

[AirStrike]

Basically when it comes down to it though the V8s have more take off power, the turbos are only good when the engines have high RPM's (so you'll probably be close to speeding by the time the turbo does the work). Superchargers add power down the low RPM's and turbos at the top, so superchargers for drags, turbos for top speed. Go the Typhoon if you want speed (that will probably get you done under Hooning or excessive speeding) or a HSV if you want it for mainly drags.

That is paragraph is so wrong in so many ways. So many things effect when a turbo will see max pressure. Put a small ex housing on the back and see max boost at 2000rpm if you want. As for superchargers you do know there is quite a few different types that all deliver boost differently?

[minux]

before xmas my girl got her hands on a ford turbo 6, she said it picked up a bit faster than my vs but she said that the vs felt better in general my argument was why would you want to buy a v6 with a stock turbo set up when you could buy a v8 and not only have the power on tap but also the sound and the pure brilliance of a v8 and you dont have to worry about the turbo blowing up and wrecking your engine, if you want boost you can allways supercharge or turbo the v8, i think the powerplant is inconcequential because now days there are so many ways to devalop lots of horsepower, so its down to the handling and feel

holly (my girl) said the ford felt lose and wallowey, it had the power but not the suspention or handling

sorry for the long post

oh 1 more thing i love the look of the VE it looks like a big ass black cat tryin to kill what ever is in front of it, staunch very staunch

LMAO, comparing a VS to an XR6T...priceless. The VS is so far off being close to an Xr6T that it is like comparing the taste of shit and organic chicken.

[Bax]

Haha thanks for posting that Airstrike. I was going to reply but you've done it for me, speeding by the time boost comes on? Ever heard of gears?

Minux, what do you mean by this:

you do realise the turbo 6 is the equiv of a 6.8 litre V8 right?

Are you saying that under full accelleration it uses the same amount of fuel as a 6.8l V8? I'm confused.

But as for this.

yep the best arguement ever in the ford v holden battle. i use it all the time against my mates who are ford fans. They say "look at how much power we make out of a six" and i say "what, a 6.8lt 6 cylinder?"

I think you're confused.

I was thinking about buying a Falcon, still am. I'm just not sure what I'd get at the moment.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

That is paragraph is so wrong in so many ways. So many things effect when a turbo will see max pressure. Put a small ex housing on the back and see max boost at 2000rpm if you want. As for superchargers you do know there is quite a few different types that all deliver boost differently?

Beat me to it!

Also (alien) you have to consider smaller turbos but in a twin setup. For example you have a that only produce 5psi but spool up really quick, but chuck two in and you have 10psi and not much "lag".

That's what surprised me about my car, very little lag but still capable (with a few mods) of pumping out a comfortable daily 18-20psi more than enough for a road car.

Still, that being said I would take a v8 any day after owning an older turbo car....just me with my current experiences....