Australian of the year 2009

[50LTRv8]

It is really quite simple for anyone, dosn't matter if you black, white, red, purple or blue. You have to be willing to do the work, you will get the rewards. This in Australia who play the victim card will never win because do not have the drive to push themselves out of the hole.

You can throw all the money in the world at something but never resolve it because of lack of drive and a commitment on their behalf. This whole intergration is a 2 way street and so far it seems alot of it is one way traffic.

[VYBR8R]

i wouldnt say i have no idea, i grew up in rural wa and had many aboriginal friends while at school, and also had to sit through aboriginal studies. Quiet well aware of indigenous massacres i think it was a terrible thing that happened but they're not the first or the last to endure such events. For example. I think that comparing the aboriginals to the black americans is incorrect as the blacks werent a native race, the indians were. Will the aboriginals suffer the same fate as the indians? theres barely even any of them around, and the ones that are have become useless drunks that live in the shadows of society, sounds familiar. I dont think its all the aboriginals fault, they havent been given a chance to learn to look after themselves in the modern world, they dont know how to provide for themselves. Because everything is given to em. example a brand new VE SSV just drove passed my old mans office window, aboriginal at the wheel, and i can tell you for a fact i know the bloke and he is on the dole. how did he afford a $50-60,000 car, he didnt, it was given to him. Theres groups of aboriginal teenages roaming the streets right now that i can see wearing designer clothing, they dont work, so it was either given to em or stolen, either being highly possible. Store workers here in northam are now arming themselves with baseball bats to defend there shops when the groups come in and steal. cops wont touch em. I have no problem with the ones out in the bush living like they did a 100 years ago, but the ones that choose to live in modern society that abuse the system raping grandmothers bashing old men stealing spitting on the community, they deserve to rounded up and shot!

[minux]

^^

Just as everyone else who abuses society does...

[VYBR8R]

It is really quite simple for anyone, dosn't matter if you black, white, red, purple or blue. You have to be willing to do the work, you will get the rewards. This in Australia who play the victim card will never win because do not have the drive to push themselves out of the hole.

You can throw all the money in the world at something but never resolve it because of lack of drive and a commitment on their behalf. This whole intergration is a 2 way street and so far it seems alot of it is one way traffic.

couldnt have put it better mate. the sooner the rest of this country wakes up and realises it and puts the foot down the better. The attitude needs to be equality, you either conform to society or you F** off back to the bush. simple choice, stop baby-ing them, no more tax payer funded houses, cars or education, they live like the rest of us, get the same opportunites as the rest of us. only way its going to work.

[VYBR8R]

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Just as everyone else who abuses society does...

valid point, but we're talking on a bigger scale to the average dole bludging joy, not dis-agreeing with ya.

as a race they're rorting the system thats meant to help them achieve

[minux]

valid point, but we're talking on a bigger scale to the average dole bludging joy, not dis-agreeing with ya.

as a race they're rorting the system thats meant to help them achieve

Err, compared to who? Have you seen how many Australians are ripping of the welfare system? No one is as good as another.

[VYBR8R]

the average australian doesnt get the welfare an aboriginal does. still im not dis-agreeing with you. but the amount of money thats ripped off from white welfare wouldnt be a third of whats wasted by the aboriginal community.

[Calaber]

no they didnt lol, even before the white settlement aboriginal populations never expanded, they didnt have the self sustaining capacity. nothings changed they still inbreed

How do we know that? White man wasn't here to observe, and the Murri's dont have a recorded history.

We have no way of knowing whether their numbers grew, declined or remained static prior to white settlement.

[VYBR8R]

well we dont know that for sure, but based on studies about it, because of the nomadic lifestyle communitys were never allowed to grow, they roamed the country never stayed in one spot. Constantly moving living off the land then moving to the next, they never planted anything or used the land. white man was the first to actually seed the ground. because of all this the groups were kept small there wasnt room to expand. Which really upsets their land title claims.

[Calaber]

well we dont know that for sure, but based on studies about it, because of the nomadic lifestyle communitys were never allowed to grow, they roamed the country never stayed in one spot. Constantly moving living off the land then moving to the next, they never planted anything or used the land. white man was the first to actually seed the ground. because of all this the groups were kept small there wasnt room to expand. Which really upsets their land title claims.

Well, yeah, there's no doubt they wandered about within their tribal areas, and it may be that their numbers remained reasonably static.

I wonder what Australia's population was prior to white settlement? Does anyone know if this has been estimated?

[VYBR8R]

not to sure, i have heard tho that there was roughly 750,000 aboriginals at the time of the white settlement now theres below 200,000. dont know how correct those numbers are. but yeah food for thought

[soop]

Problem alot of young Aboriginals have, is that they've been bought up in an angry society. (Like it or not, Aboriginals have always been a community with in a community).
After a couple generations, It just becomes a way of life for them.

I'm not making excuses, they can always make the choice to leave that way of life. But at the end of the day, it was our ancestors that put them in the position they're in.

[randomhero365]

Problem alot of young Aboriginals have, is that they've been bought up in an angry society. (Like it or not, Aboriginals have always been a community with in a community).
After a couple generations, It just becomes a way of life for them.

I'm not making excuses, they can always make the choice to leave that way of life. But at the end of the day, it was our ancestors that put them in the position they're in.

Yes but it wasn't us.
Why blame us for something 'we' didn't do but our ancestors did?
We had no control over their actions.

And I fully agree in taking away all benefits to make them live for themselves.

[soop]

Thats a cop out.
We are as responcible for a our past as we are for a future.

You as a person, are not responsible for what happened. But White Australians as a people are.

[Tas_HSV]

Thats a cop out.
We are as responcible for a our past as we are for a future.

You as a person, are not responsible for what happened. But White Australians as a people are.

I tend to agree to a point,european settlers displaced and slaughtered thousands of aboriginies,but the japs killed my grandfather in the war,and i dont see any need to wander up to a japanese tourist,and ask for a compensation payment for the pain my father and I suffered because of our father/grandfather being killed.....and with me,I can trace back my ancestory back from when we first landed to australia....as convicts.Our family had nothing to do with the invasion,as they came along afterwards,and were banged up in Port Author,so seeing we didnt kill any aboriginies,can the money being deducted from my taxable income and handed out to the aboriginies for something we didnt do be rerouted to the Glen Mcgrath foundation

[VYBR8R]

can the money being deducted from my taxable income and handed out to the aboriginies for something we didnt do be rerouted to the Glen Mcgrath foundation

hahahaha, but such a great point if only it was that easy, if they gave us an option on whether part of our tax went to aboriginal causes or say be refunded, i wonder how much would actually end up at the aboriginals. Might i point out that the majority of the aboriginal community currently doesnt hold a place of employment thus pays no taxes. Which means they're taking alot of money out of our pockets, surely if money compensation is what they're after, havent they had enough??? not our fault they p*ssed it all away.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

Thats a cop out.
We are as responcible for a our past as we are for a future.

You as a person, are not responsible for what happened. But White Australians as a people are.

Please don't take this the wrong way but going by your theory your responsible for Musolini's (sp?) actions in WWII due to your backround?

[MasterOfReality]

Thats a cop out.
We are as responcible for a our past as we are for a future.

You as a person, are not responsible for what happened. But White Australians as a people are.

Well then, the Aboriginals can be thankful that the Spanish didn't land here first!!

[randomhero365]

Thats a cop out.
We are as responcible for a our past as we are for a future.

You as a person, are not responsible for what happened. But White Australians as a people are.

White Australia now shouldn't be held responsible.
It had nothing to do with all this.
Australia is a very very different country to what it was 100 years ago.
Different mentalities. They do have the chance to improve themselves right now.
But they choose not to, we can't be held responsible for that.
I think they should be on the absolute minimum doll payments if not any.
No more free interest loans, and other tax benefits.
They should be made to get off their arse's and get a job for themselves.
I truely wish I could re-route my tax money into a different government investment.