Hydrogen fuel savers: Get one!

[Zipster]

Here is a good resource, if you are creative, I trust you to do something interesting with it:

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[Jesterarts]

ok.. stop.... HHO (known to the rest of the world as H2O) will not help combustion... H2 gas alone will... but water does not help combustion... and you can't ignite water... so your first paragraph is compete rubbish...

Also... another point deducted for spelling mistake...

wtf is a "shepper"?

[danja]

HHO is only making your combustion more efficient. It is not really adding more energy to the process as 15+2=17. Petrol combustion in our engines in known to be very inefficient (using more petrol that it needs to move the piston), ask any nrma person, they will confirm. HHO, when ignited inside the chamber, helps the droplets of petrol to split. That's the main principle.

Petrol engines are not inefficient because of incomplete combustion, they are inefficient because of heat and friction losses. Modern 4 stroke engines burn very close to completely, about 98-99% as memory serves, meaning only 1-2% of fuel escapes un-burnt. I can promise you, no one who works for the NRMA who values their job will say HHO is a good idea.

Would you care to explain the science behind your "droplet splitting" theory? Can you point me to any journals or textbooks documenting this effect at the concentrations you obtain from your hydrogen cell, or did you or another hydrogen advocate just invent this pseudo-science? Fuel injectors do a pretty good job of vaporising fuel, direct injection does even better.

Again, I'll ask, if this was so easy that you can do it in your backyard, and gave 40-70% fuel improvements, with no ill-effects, why wouldn't car manufacturers put it in their cars? Why? Even if the oil companies did have their hooks in them (which I have seen no evidence that they do) they'd get so much money from increased sales, the government would be throwing piles of money at them for green initiatives, they'd win so many awards and good PR the oil threat wouldn't matter!

Anyway, if you'd care to back your scientific assertions up with established fact then I might take it more seriously.

Its like you are a shepper and it takes you a long time every night to gather your cattle, if you have a dog to help you for the job, it will take less time before you go home. And it will cost you less than a dollar in a bowl of dog biscuits for the job to be done fast.

Free energy is surrounding us. Just bend over and pick a mushroom, that's free. Stick your head outside and feel the warmth of the sun, that's free.. the list is endless.

Those analogies are so irrelevant it's hardly worth bothering with them. Suffice to say you are creating a semantic argument, which ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. "Free" doesn't mean it doesn't cost money, it means it comes from nothing. Sunlight does not come from nothing, neither do mushrooms, and nor does dog-power.

I suggest everyone to watch that movie called Zeitgeist II "Addendum". The film addresses many issues from logical forms of solar, wind, tidal & geothermal energy to our current economic state. Its on google video completely free, for anyone to watch. If anyone decides to watch it... Let me know what you think. Thank you for reading.

Yet another tin-foil hat conspiracy trash-flick? Sure, I'll give it a watch, I need a good laugh. I'd been avoiding this one because I've already seen a few of these, and you see one you've pretty much seen them all - but just for you, I'll watch it.

To VN-SS: If you liked that ride in the ute that day and you want to make it a reality for you, just PM me and I will lead you toward some nice gear to help you make it.

If you're not trying to make a buck, why don't you just post the instructions here so anyone can give it a try?

[Zipster]

ok.. stop.... HHO (known to the rest of the world as H2O) will not help combustion... H2 gas alone will... but water does not help combustion... and you can't ignite water... so your first paragraph is compete rubbish...

Also... another point deducted for spelling mistake...

wtf is a "shepper"?

HHO is the gas you make out of an electrolysis involving H2O. HHO=Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules.

I ment Shepard you know it, what is your goal here? Ball busting?

[Zipster]

Danja, you are a conservationist. Meaning that anything that I will bring you that would may change your life even a little you will not take it, just because you love the world how it is because this is how you make your daily bucks.

This discussion was interesting, but I'm afraid it's over for you, you are busted. Personally I would love this world to change, and it IS changing, thanks to the help of blokes like me that have no fear to go ahead no matter what it says in the books or whatever anyone tells. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but I have no fear of being ridiculous if my stuff does not deliver in the end... At least I'm searching, and doing my best.

[levymetal]

i haven't read anything about this (i'm too lazy), but is this injecting water into your engine or is it supposed to be splitting the water particles into hydrogen and oxygen molecules? say it was separating the molecules - then it would have a chance of working, IF you could produce enough of it. but it takes more energy to obtain hydrogen from water than it actually produces, so this idea fails. and injecting water... well... i didn't know burning water could split the molecule into separate hydrogen and oxygen particles. but i guess you learn something new every day right...

[Jesterarts]

^^^ No such thing as a Hydrogen molecule or an oxygen molecule. <-- Retard statement by me... they are gas molecules... just realised what i wrote... duh!

Ok... basic chemistry... no such thing as HHO gas... HHO is water... written long retarded hand.

What there is... is H2 gas and O gas... so I will accept that there is HH and OO gas... you put the HHO into one and your talking about water...

Since Oxygen is also a gas that is only stable in a O2 form... the O atoms need to bond with something since there is not enough O atoms going around from breaking water into H2 and O2 so they bond with the H2... giving you bloody water!!!

If you have 2 hydrogen atoms that are bonded to an oxygen atom... there is ONLY one configuration possible... H-O-H

From what I gather... this gas is claimed to have a H-H-O configuration...

Have I missed something?

[immortality]

I think you are being unnecessarily precious here. An explosion by definition just means a rapid reaction or combustion, which is certainly what happens in an internal combustion engine(take off the muffler and have a listen!). No explosion can take place instantly, they all take a finite amount of time.....and yes most of them propagate outwards from the source of ignition.
So yes the rate at which the explosion travels is controlled, you can call it controlled burn if you wish.

actually, it is very much controlled otherwise how could only adding a degree or 2 of timing make such a big difference. petrol companies spend a fortune formulating fuel so it's exact detonation properties are know. controlled combustion has a flame front and burns, detonation or a "explosion" does not as the mixture spontaniously combusts. this is generaly cause be either to much heat (hot spots or the wrong spark plugs and even to much compression) and time.

Jesterarts, mate you need to go and have a look at water injection. there are certainly benefits to injecting small amounts of water (H2O) into the combustion process. by injection small amounts of water into the intake your cooling the intake charge as it enters the combustion chamber. as the water heats and turns to steam it's taking heat of the intake charge, which means you can add more timing before detonation occurs. it's been proven. they even used this technique in WWII on fighters to boost power output of the engines, it was then forgotten about for many years but it's becoming a lot more popular these days. you see it on a lot of rice cars. really cool when you mix it 50:50 water/ethanol. the added benfit is that you engine is getting steam cleaned on the inside as well HHO is a totally seperate idea and is in no way related to water injection in the way it works and the 2 shouldn't be confused with the other

danja is correct in that the internal combustion engine is in-efficient mostly because of the heat/friction loses that occur.

[levymetal]

there is such thing as oxygen and hydrogen molecules

[Jesterarts]

^^^ Just realised what i wrote... my bad.. there is such thing as hydrogen and oxygen molecules...

I'm just retarded... lol

[levymetal]

haha! i'm interested in this water injection now though

does anyone live near this guy? if i did, i'd happily do a test... empty the car of fuel, give it 10 litres, and see how far you can drive...

[Zipster]

If you are interested in water injection, you have to know that it works under 50/50 proportions max WITH gasoline or any fuel like LPG or ethanol or else. It means you either need to make an emulsion to bond the 2 mediums together evenly otherwise you need an extra tank and an added injection system to squirt your water in the chambers.

Google water injection systems, you can find them in car performance online shops, I'm pretty sure I have seen one on an Aussie site somewhere.

[Zipster]

Water injection systems, Methanol injection systems : Aquamist

[SSMAN]

im keen to see these dyno results

[f1tzy]

How many litres/hundred are you getting?

[Zipster]

Danja, Check this out. This is an Australian company based in Cairns, they claim 440% overunity with their machine. This means 440% more electricity in the output wires.

Lutec Australia Pty Ltd - Welcome!

Whatch the videos of le LEA project, its quiet interesting.