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Wasnt it mythbusters who tested these hyrdogen things and found no real difference, except the placebo of people driving slower?
Hydrogen fuel savers: Get one!
Hi all
In the following of my last thread I noticed some people here wanted to start a discussion about the Brown's gas (Hydrogen and Oxygen injection).
It implies an elecrolyser, it's a machine, very simple, where you pour water in, that transforms this water into a fuel that you inject in the engine via the air intake. It transforms your vehicle into an amazing Eco-Friendly powered machine.
Pros and cons:
* Engines run smoother
* Saves on fuel costs
* Reduces emissions by potentially 50% or more
* Gives more power for less fuel.
* Engine run cleaner with less carbon build up.
* Increases engine life
* Engine runs cooler
* Engine to suffer less wear
Some people have shown results close to 70% savings at this stage.
If anyone wants some informations about this new technology, it's getting big in the US, just ask me and I will tell you what to do and advise you on some products that actually worth the dime.
Click on this link for no bullshit information: http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgasfuelsaver.html
Saving above 40% of fuel with my Hydrogen on board generator.
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Wasnt it mythbusters who tested these hyrdogen things and found no real difference, except the placebo of people driving slower?
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Originally Posted by cobez
I have seen the mythbusters episodes and I noticed they were doing it wrong, you need at least a 2Liters per minute operating machine for the cars they have tested it on. The did not want hard enough to make it work, go find out...... Did you see the bit where Jamie squirts some water straight in the carby and the huge backfire he gets? That's water burning my friend.
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It wurks mate, check this out: Post Your Results
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well now i am laughing at you, funny how every single one of these fuel saver things has all the glorified stories to go with them
also if you stand by your product, why not offer one for someone to test properly...
Why would I do that? Most cells are payback if unsatisfied, no questions asked.. Have another beer..
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lol knew i get that answer
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Can you please explain exactly what setup you have installed which you claim gives you all these benefits? Would also be interested to see you dyno and emissions printouts you mentioned. You said you had less carbon emissions, which may be true due to a lean burn, but your NOx (the REALLY bad emissions) are likely to be up due to incomplete combustion.
You also assert things like lower combustion temperature and increase in engine life which I'd like to hear why you think that? Lean mixtures burn HOTTER and will DECREASE engine life in most cases.
That website by the way, is not a "no BS" source - they SELL the product, so how you could claim they are unbiased is beyond me?
I call bullshit, if this technology were real (any of them) it would be in a production car. If it were real, the entire American automotive industry would NOT be on the brink of financial failure because people would have no reservations about buying a big American car.
OP are you claiming that this product is more advanced than something an entire industry with billions of dollars could come up with?
yeah i was about to say if it did work with all pros and no cons then it would already be in production cars
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Ok... quick reality check...
Those things are basically a heating element in a jar or water...
What do you get when you heat water?
Water vapour...
Your pumping water vapour into your combustion chamber...
Water does not compress as we all know... so increase in compression... that is perhaps were people are seeing and "positive" results...
The downside being you end up with water in your combustion chamber... which will kill your engine...
Zipster all of your threads and posts here at JC have been getting help on modifying your car to where it is now (in relation to this "alternative fuel project") and telling everyone how good this technology is.
Why not post your car in the VR/VS section of "My Ride" or join in on some off topic threads in The Pub - so at least it doesn't look like you're not only here to advertise this technology.
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Not quite Jesterarts, they use electrolysis to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen atoms (which HHO advocates like to call "oxyhydrogen", but that's just a fancy name for the two gases mixed together. I could call air "nitrocarbonoxyargon", but that would just make me a wanker)
That part is fine - basic science which doesn't violate any principles of chemistry of physics. It's the part where people claim that injecting this modest amount of hydrogen into their engine provides all the mentioned benefits. It's certainly not purely from the combustion of hydrogen, as you can never get more energy combining the oxygen and hydrogen, than you did breaking them apart, and the two process are not 100% efficient so you actually get far less useful energy back than you spent splitting them.
The HHO claim then goes on to say that it doesn't reclaim the energy by simply burning hydrogen, it's that the hydrogen acts as a kind of catalyst to improve the combustion efficiency of the petrol already being used. This claim alone is of dubious veracity, but not entirely unfounded. The problem is that the levels of hydrogen required to produce any meaningful improvement is several times what any of these devices can provide.
Any actual improvents in fuel consumption I believe can be traced back to the ECU being fooled into leaning the mixture, which as most will know does increase power/reduce fuel consumption but also kills engines and people, and has nothing to do with hydrogen in the intake.
Looking forward to seeing what this blokes setup is, and how he thinks it works.
Last edited by danja; 12-02-2009 at 04:57 PM. Reason: corrected atom/molecule (thanks jester ;)
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First up... no such thing as a water atom... only a water molecule...
Second... I still think at the end of the day... you will end up with water in your combustion chamber... (But that jsut my biase and ingorant opinion)
Third... if this actually yielded these results... it would basically solve the current polution problems... pretty sure it would be mass produced and implemented...
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I dont get how it saves on fuel if your still using petrol and your ecu isnt altered the car should still add the same amount of fuel. The only way i see it could if it made the ecu think its running too rich and leans it out.
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I can post results of people seeing god, jesus, the devil, alians, ghosts,flying spagetti monster...this does not make them true.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
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Here is one :Welcome to Ronn Motor Company click the link
Tell me if you like it.
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The H2 to water compression ratio is 1:1500
If you add steam to your intake, it will ignit inside the cylinders due to pressure and heat. Look up for water injection systems.
Look up for aquazole as well, it's a solution of petrol and water. news: Aquazole water-diesel fuel emulsion to enter North American market
An electroyzer does not heat if its efficient and following faraday's law with no waste. Look up for Pulse With Generators, they help your generator to be more efficient.
Saving above 40% of fuel with my Hydrogen on board generator.
Concerning my dyno test, its planned for next week, I'll keep you posted.
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1) Water molecules, quite correct, I have fixed my postFirst up... no such thing as a water atom... only a water molecule...
Second... I still think at the end of the day... you will end up with water in your combustion chamber... (But that jsut my biase and ingorant opinion)
Third... if this actually yielded these results... it would basically solve the current polution problems... pretty sure it would be mass produced and implemented...
2) You get water in your cylinders anyway, it's a product of burning hydrocarbons
3) You'd think so, but you forgot about the big oil conspiracy! The government is in on it, car makers are all in on it, they won't let the truth be heard maaaannnn!
When this guy posts his setup it should all become clear.
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Post pics of your setup please.
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Here is my setup. Its working fine this way, however I recommand to install the cell in front of the radiator. Mine gets a bit hot there, not a huge problem but that's what I will do next time.
I also have an EFIE (EFi Enhancer) inside the interior that is connected to my O2 sensors in order to trick the ECU, because the mixture is different. There is indeed more gas coming in than the regular air/liquid fuel ratio. I'm still adjusting it as we speak in order to get the best results possible.
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You cannot burn water (H2O). You CAN burn hydrogen, the equation is:
2H2 + O2 = 2H2O, but first you have to split your water into the components. If you think you can burn H2O, please tell me what the equation for that would be?
I suggest YOU look it up! Water injection does not work that way, water injection lowers combustion temperatures, and in itself doesn't do much unless you alter the AFR or compression to take advantage of the higher knock resistance.
Nobody has built a 100% efficient electrolysis setup. They will all waste some energy in the form of heat, just some more than others. Faraday's law say more power = more output, not that you get a free lunch.
Please do, though you said you already had done this test, and that you had less emissions? Are you saying you haven't done the test? How do you know what your emissions are like then?
Still waiting to hear what your precise setup is?
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