Where are all the Labor supporters?

[Calaber]

I don't really want an answer to the title of this thread, but there is very little, if any, support for the Labor Federal or State Governments.

Now, in the case of the State Governments, that's easy to understand. Generally, they have all been in office for many years and most stink to high heaven with the electorate.

But with Rudd's mob, it's different. They haven't been in all that long, enjoyed a fair majority at the last election, and maintain a healthy lead over the opposition in the opinion polls. Rudd outpolls Turnbull by over 40%.

So, where are all these Labor lovers - they sure as hell don't use this forum. Rudd bashing is a favourite past-time here and criticism of the Labor Government's actions (or inactions) is rife.

I am no lover of Labor, so I'm not looking for an ally. I just wonder if there is any support for them here at all.

[danja]

Minux sniped them all.

*danja serpentines back to his box*

[maginoodle]

not gonna say who i support but a lot of poeple would rudd bash and then still support him. just like the way i support the bulldogs but i run them down when they deserve it.

[vsl67]

I like bagging all pollies. but vote for the lesser of two evils and Im easily bought
Cant wait for the cash ,and Im goeing to do my bit for the economy and get tinted windows,rollerrockers or a respray
maginoodle is spot on

[System]

I like bagging all pollies. but vote for the lesser of two evils and Im easily bought
Cant wait for the cash ,and Im goeing to do my bit for the economy and get tinted windows,rollerrockers or a respray
maginoodle is spot on

totally agree with you, i chose rudd because johnny had been in there for too long, and jeeze, the GST and work choices didnt help either.

they have only been in a year, give em a go

[minux]

totally agree with you, i chose rudd because johnny had been in there for too long, and jeeze, the GST and work choices didnt help either.

they have only been in a year, give em a go

This is why this country is being ****ed over left right and centre. Voting for the sake of voting is idiotic and exactly why shit is going downhill fast.

GST works well, how doesn't it now work?

Workchoices works well, but let me guess a friend of a friends uncles aunties brothers sisters cats owner was effected by it? Workchoices was moving Australia forward to compete with the world. So much so, that Labor have kept 95% of the legislation, renamed a few things and are continuing on with it.

At least liberals didn't miscalculate 2 billion in handouts, lose 8 billion in funds and have blithering illiterate Bogan idiots(ok apart from Tony Abbott) speaking for the country. It is disgraceful that our deputy pm and EDUCATION minister says "gunna" and how she "went to the shop and brought some milk" or calls children kids etc.

I am going to laugh as unemployment sky rockets, recession hits harder than ever and people have nothing at all because they voted in irresponsible spenders.

Oh before anyone says you may lose your job, we just signed sealed and delivered another 2 3 year contracts. My job is safer than cutting your wrists with foam.

[Juztin]

At least liberals didn't miscalculate 2 billion in handouts, lose 8 billion in funds and have blithering illiterate Bogan idiots(ok apart from Tony Abbott) speaking for the country. It is disgraceful that our deputy pm and EDUCATION minister says "gunna" and how she "went to the shop and brought some milk" or calls children kids etc.

Hmm that is fair bad

My job is safer than cutting your wrists with foam.

LOL.....Just lol :P

[Garth]

labour suporter here, keeps quiet for the fear of the public backlash.

[VC_HDT]

whether you like to admit it or not, johnny lost the election all by himself.

A major factor being workchoices, and no it wasnt a friend of a friend that was affected it was me, i was retrenched and was looking for work, so i was put onto a job through an agency, this job was supposed to be truck driving, but was helping a guy to deliver gyprock i was offered $14 an hour, between 9-12 hour days, up to 6 days a week with no penalty rates,
he told me that was what he was offering and if i didnt like it i could leave but i wouldnt get any dole, i wasnt entitled to(and didnt want) the dole because i was retrenched.

i dont doubt workchoices may have worked to benefit some people but most seemed to be disadvantaged, i think i read on this forum somewhere someone signed away penalty rates for higher pay rate, and now someone else employed later is on more or same as they are per hour with penalty rates?

i do remember liberal saying at the previous election that if labor won that interest rates would be on the rise, once liberal were back in and rates started to rise, johnny said interest rates are out of his control? everyone complained about interest rates rising when rudd took over, suddenly labor can control them? what about the fact they were on the rise with liberal in power?

and the unemployment rise and looming recession, its easy to blame rudd for that but what about the rest of the world having the same problem, rudds fault too?

[commsirac]

:blithering illiterate Bogan idiots(ok apart from Tony Abbott) speaking for the country. It is disgraceful that our deputy pm and EDUCATION minister says "gunna" and how she "went to the shop and brought some milk" or calls children kids etc

maybe she did bring some milk to the shop?
how many blithering bogan idiots have this on their resume:

Gillard attended Unley High School, graduating in 1978[7]. She then attended the University of Adelaide but later moved to Melbourne. In 1986 she graduated from the University of Melbourne with arts and law degrees and, the following year, joined the law firm Slater & Gordon at Werribee, working in the area of industrial law. In 1990 she was admitted as one of their first female partners...etc

Anyways, it matters not one hoot to me whether julia sounds like a slag from werribee or not.
What is more of concern isthe circus that we call parliament: where we have all this theatre/bullying etc, there was a reason Joe Hockey got promoted, to thrusts his bar technique into the limelight: "the treasurer doesnt know whether he is Wayne or Wendy", poor Julie, she hadnt learnt to fight in the gutter at her exclusive finishing school.

Maybe the liberals can do some good, they finally have picked up that the labor policies will do nothing to address climate change and that even if they dont want to believe it themselves, see that it will do some good to their image to rightly bash the government on this issue.

[VrWagz1]

I'm a labor supporter, but i know when someones gotta go and NSW state labor is a dead man walking. I dont know how anyone could vote for them. I cant beleive that we just have some random garbo now running our state. Got to be a reason for that, i recon just knowone wants to be the captain of a sinking ship.

[Zuicider]

yer labour cause i tend to think most of the people on the libs are just as arogant as you minux

[minux]

yer labour cause i tend to think most of the people on the libs are just as arogant as you minux

I am hardly arrogant, if you knew me you would know that, I just say what I think or feel, if it annoys people like you or people like you dislike it, stiff shit, I won't lose sleep over it. I guess you do fit the stereotypical labor voter though

Best you take a big hot mug of concrete.

[Zuicider]

ha, if i got more dole im sure i could afford a mug

[minux]

ha, if i got more dole im sure i could afford a mug

I am not sure whether to laugh or cry...lol

[Zuicider]

to be honest your prolly not the only one that wants to cast my feet in concrete and chuck me off a bridge for my veiws

[faroogoo]

Isnt Labour pro union? Thats a good thing no?

[Morton]

I have to admit that I understand very little about politics, take very little interest in it, and ultimately couldn't care less which way elections go. "Democracy" is executed terribly, because people are generally idiots, and half the nation is always going to end up dissatisfied.

I don't vote just for the sake of voting. I understand enough to not want to vote blindly, which is why I rock up at the polling booths and place a big fat zero in every box.

[commsirac]

Isnt Labour pro union? Thats a good thing no?

There is no place for yoU in labor , but there is in Union.

[Reaper]

totally agree with you, i chose rudd because johnny had been in there for too long, and jeeze, the GST and work choices didnt help either.

they have only been in a year, give em a go

You are kidding right???? Only a year and in that time we have gone from a $80bil 4 year surplus to a (wait for it) $118bil deficit!!!! That is a $200 billion turnaround in 1 a bit years! According to Wayne Swan the deficit is only temporary however his own treasury forward projections predict deficits as far into the future as they go! This is also from a guy who only a few weeks ago was still insisting there would be no deficit. He only changed his tune when Chairman Rudd returned to visit Australia and admitted there would be one. Just looking at the current federal governments achievments over the last year or so, I worry what they will achieve over the full term! God help us.

Isnt Labour pro union? Thats a good thing no?

Unions have their place but unfortunately they more often than not abuse their power. Just look at the CMFEU, AMWU, ETU, TWU etc etc etc. Do you live in vic? Only last week a train was stranded in a station shutting down an entire train line for 8 hours because of an internal transport workers union battle between the train drivers and another branch. In their petty internal squabble they managed to **** over tens of thousands of people getting to and from work. This has happened over and over again in the recent weeks in the Melbourne train network. Guess what - the secretary of said union happens to be the Victorian president of the ALP and is very close to the transport minister, both being members of the same faction of the ALP. The minister refuses to get involved and fix the problem - end result - commuters have a long walk home.

whether you like to admit it or not, johnny lost the election all by himself.

Maybe not entirely himself but for sure he stayed 2 years too long.

A major factor being workchoices, and no it wasnt a friend of a friend that was affected it was me, i was retrenched and was looking for work, so i was put onto a job through an agency, this job was supposed to be truck driving, but was helping a guy to deliver gyprock i was offered $14 an hour, between 9-12 hour days, up to 6 days a week with no penalty rates,
he told me that was what he was offering and if i didnt like it i could leave but i wouldnt get any dole, i wasnt entitled to(and didnt want) the dole because i was retrenched.

i dont doubt workchoices may have worked to benefit some people but most seemed to be disadvantaged, i think i read on this forum somewhere someone signed away penalty rates for higher pay rate, and now someone else employed later is on more or same as they are per hour with penalty rates?

Yeah... the problem is that the Liberals just didn't sell the package. Few besides employers saw the need for it and the union movement did a great job in selling the dis-advantages. The government of the day did a lousy job communicating the positivies.

i do remember liberal saying at the previous election that if labor won that interest rates would be on the rise, once liberal were back in and rates started to rise, johnny said interest rates are out of his control? everyone complained about interest rates rising when rudd took over, suddenly labor can control them? what about the fact they were on the rise with liberal in power?

The words were carefully chosen. That being that interest rate would be lower under Liberal than Labor. It's a claim that is impossible to prove one way or another. I do contend that over the last 24 months the RBA was bordering on reckless in raising interest rates based on false inflation fears. The ALP were equally reckless in encouraging them for no other reason than blatent political opportunism.

and the unemployment rise and looming recession, its easy to blame rudd for that but what about the rest of the world having the same problem, rudds fault too?

No. There is not much Rudd could do (even though he seems to think he can save the world) about the international situation. As I touched on in the last paragraph there is a ***lot*** that he and the RBA could have done to mitigate the fall out. Unfortunately he and his government (who seem powerless to act unless he ok's every order personally) sat on their hands, waited for the bus to hit them and are now taking everybody to hospital. Too late - should have started moving the crowd off the road before the bus hit - far fewer bodies to clean up. Check out my posts in the various political threads over the last 2 years. Unfortunately history has shown that my predictions have been right on the money.

Reaper

[VS Omega]

+1 for labor. Would it be fair to generalise by saying lib supporters own VY and newer commodores?

[Reaper]

+1 for labor. Would it be fair to generalise by saying lib supporters own VY and newer commodores?

And those who aspire too.

The liberal philosophy is about empowering people to make the most of themselves. Labor is about everybody being equal nomatter how much or little effort the individual puts in.

Reaper

[danja]

Only a year and in that time we have gone from a $80bil 4 year surplus to a (wait for it) $118bil deficit!!!! That is a $200 billion turnaround in 1 a bit years!

That's not quite true is it? $118 is the projected deficit over a 4? year period. We all know running a surplus right now isn't feasible nor advisable, so it's not quite as reckless as you're suggesting.

The majority of that $200b turnaround isn't a result of irresponsible spending, it's due to projected losses in resulting directly from the economic downturn. Gittins does a good job of explaining it:
Rudd needs courage to defuse time-bomb

All this just reinforces my opinion of Turnbull as being about as trustworthy as a used car salesman. Actually, I retract that, it's offensive to used car salesmen. He's doing his party a real disservice IMO - he even makes Brendan Nelson look good.

+1 for labor. Would it be fair to generalise by saying lib supporters own VY and newer commodores?

I'm a bit of a fence sitter, but I err towards the Labor side. I own a VZ.

There's nothing to say you can't earn a decent wage and support Labor, it's probably just that many of those who are "successful" financially, tend to attach a higher value to money, and the cornerstone of the Liberal strategy is effectively to buy voters support with promises of increased wealth - so they get more money-lovers in the ranks.

[Reaper]

That's not quite true is it? $118 is the projected deficit over a 4? year period. We all know running a surplus right now isn't feasible nor advisable, so it's not quite as reckless as you're suggesting.

The majority of that $200b turnaround isn't a result of irresponsible spending, it's due to projected losses in resulting directly from the economic downturn. Gittins does a good job of explaining it:
Rudd needs courage to defuse time-bomb

My point is that the ALP could have and should have done much to mitigate any damage yet did nothing for many months like deer in the headlights. Now we are left with a shit sandwitch that costs way more than it needed to be.

All this just reinforces my opinion of Turnbull as being about as trustworthy as a used car salesman. Actually, I retract that, it's offensive to used car salesmen. He's doing his party a real disservice IMO - he even makes Brendan Nelson look good.

I don't think Turnbull has handled the situation very well either.

There's nothing to say you can't earn a decent wage and support Labor,

True - but they are mostly the union bosses etc who are "a little more equal" than the rest


Reaper

[Bax]

Another Labour supporter here. Liberal have never really offered me anything that's provided me with much interest.

I'll go either way though, as long as it's not the greens.