overpriced used cars - vs senator's

[sv9946]

hey guys (and girls, lol)

having just ordered another ve sv6 manual ute, i'm also on the market for a weekend toy to tinker with, and look after. having previously owned a vs series 2 185i auto senator last year, i'm now on the market for a vs 215i senator or gts (will only take 5.7 stroker) manual or auto, series one or 2, any colour really, leather or cloth, whatever basically. i may even consider a vt 220i, but thats the limit. i will buy anywhere in australia, and in pretty much any condition (provided the price does it justice)

anyway, i've been looking, researching and the likes for 9 months i spose, and decided recently **** it i'm going to buy one again. i trawl the car sales sites, auctions list's (never seen a 215i at auction, only smashed ones but i still look), ebay, everything i can think of.

now i know through work i can buy say a nice vy senator with 100,000km or so for early to mid 20's. but i'm after a vs. thing is, every time i check, its the same cars, same price (usually 20-30k for decent one) and nothing has changed!! some cars are still on there from when i sold my senator, which is quite a long time ago.

anyway, my point is. i seen a simular issue raised on supraforums the other week about jza80's, and how none of them are moving, because people think they are so rare and desirable and put monsterous rediculous prices on them. none rarely sell, and hence the same ones are advertised again & again.

i wouldn't pay 20-30k for a vs senator, even in a stroker unless it was a series 2 manual in cherry black with leather and sunroof with full service history and roughly 20-40,000km. so many nice ones are advertised, that i would snap up, if only they weren't the same price as a vz senator.

i see a lovely silver one in n.s.w, with 130,000km and looking all original. i was prepared to give the guy 16,000 in cash with no reg or roady and private sale with no warranty, as i live in a different state. he wanted 26,000, unreg, unroadworthy, needing 2 tyres and a few other minor things. now why would anyone in they're right mind pay that, when on the same site a 05 vz senator with 87,000km and one owner, full hsv service history and just out of its lease beautiful looking car, registered with roadworhty and everything and only asking 29k. its rediculous

just wondering what everypnes thoughts were on the current prices being asked for these cars in this current economic climate? i sold a vr 185i manual senator (all genuine) in canterbury blue with 156,000km last week for 7.5k. had leather and sunroof also and full hsv service history. i think that was reasonable, and what it was worth

[TVR-190]

i saw a vs exec wagon in the paper advertised for 7500 today. people seriously expect to get that much?

[danja]

Make offers on the ones you like, even if the guy is asking $10k more. Let him know you are serious about it, give the guy your details and say call me if you change your mind.

If they really aren't selling, after a few months people will start re-assessing their expectations, and if you're lucky one of them will take you up on your offer, or at least offer something close to what you're offering.

[Grennan]

Ive been a NON STOP visitor to places like Carsales, Carpoint, Tradingpost any for sale website I can find for atleast the last year in preparation for my next car.

I first started looking at VS Clubsports about a year ago and most were hovering around the 14 mark. I think that is downright stupid, theyve come down to about the 10-12 mark but even that is asking a bit much these days. Even the VS SS's at the time were up around the 9-11 mark and still hover around there.

Currently Im looking at VX SS's and I can say I think they are a lot more reasonably priced with a lot comming in at around 14-16 mark, Ive even seen some Series 1 come in a bit lower than that, with VT SII SS's comming in from 10-14. Compared to the VS SS and the VS Clubsport, that is a ripper. On average about 100,000 less K's, more advanced, more power and generally a better choice for your cash.

Theres a bloke down the road who is trying to offload his VX Clubby. Its been sitting in his driveway and on carsales with a for sale sign for almost 8 months now. He started at 22 grand, and its down to about 18 now and he still cant sell it.

I think if your trying to sell your car now, expect to settle for less than you want, especially for the V8's because people just dont want them. Mind you, a lot of people do price their cars with negotiations in mind, but a lot of the older cars like I cited before, the VS SS's and VS Clubsports, are overpriced by a mile.

[STEALTHY™]

Danja's got it. When you see them, leave your number, and your highest offer, and without a doubt, if they're genuinely selling, they call (by genuine, i mean, some people say their selling there car, only to keep spending money on it and not actually be serious).


Some people are just dreaming from the get go, and if they can't accept that, they'll end up with a 2 tonne paperweight sitting in their garage, and 1000s of dollars for sale ad bills.

[tanner892]

yeah this is true ive looked at options for a weekender in the old HSV range and they are really overpriced in my opinion like for a couple grand more in some cases you can get in a VY SS, lately ive been keeping an eye out on CV8 monaros, prices dont look to bad

[Pub247]

funny story a guy at work sold his anthracite vp ss for 9 grand, i couldnt beleive anyone would pay that for it. Sure it was nice and had 160,000k's on it but had a stato interior in it but no way its worth that. I see vn ss go for heaps nowadays too i think theyre overvualed for what you get at the end of the day

[Grennan]

Yeah the old SS's and Clubsports still fetch around the 10 grand mark. They are way overpriced, but theres always some idiot who pays it.

I just did a quick Carsales trip, theres VS Clubsports - Manual - asking 14 grand with 170+ thou on the clock. Thats a joke. It is good to see most are around the 10 grand mark which is the very most id pay for a well optioned VS these days. Just also looked at SS's with manual and most of them are the same price as Clubsports, some more.

[kniever]

It is good to see most are around the 10 grand mark which is the very most id pay for a well optioned VS these days.

lol a vr/s clubsport is not a well optioned car.

its true though, all the vr/s senators are way overpriced, my brother sold his vr manual 185i senator just b4 christmas for 10k, it sold in a 1 week being put on carsales where as half the other ones on there at the time are still there cos they are expecting to get 15k for an auto one with double the kays

[Grennan]

Yeah I know the VR/S are poorly optioned... but I was more referring to if they had a lot of the options that were available at the time - the devonish seats, sunroof so on and so forth (I actually ran out of options to think of hahaha).

[sv9946]

yeah, at the end of the day something is only worth what people will pay for it. its just vs hsv's owners in particular struggle to understand that. don't even get me started on vl turbo owners putting 15k + stickers on they're trashed out heap of shit cars.

like for the 25k people are asking for the cars i want, i'd be better off to buy a vz through work, (car dealership) at wholesale value's. and after seeing vz senator's for 28-29k advertised private sale, i should be able to get a vz for 26 or so. its just i really liked, and want another vs again.

end of the day, i don't need one though. if i can't get a 215i vs senator, or gts or 220i vt senator i'll buy a new gsx-r 1000 for a simular price or just save it in my house fund, and get interest. but money isn't everything, and i need a hobby, hence why i got the idea in the first place

[Troy711]

FS 97 Sereis2 VS CLUBBY - Team proUTES ~ Street, Show & Go ~

That one seems like a good buy to me

[sv9946]

looks a very nice original car, a credit to its previous owners. unfortunately for 12k, and being a 185i auto it doesn't do anything for me. i reckon that car would be a good buy, considering you'd probably neogotiate back to 11 or so. but after having a 185i auto, and 185i manual i'm not interested in any without the 215i

[Troy711]

This might sound stupid, but what does the 'i' stand for? Obviousy the number is the output in Kw.. but I'm still clueless with the 'i'.

[sv9946]

i for injected? my only guess? its on all of them. 185i etc

[sircruisealotVS]

yeah the "i" is for injected, like 185kw injected 5L.

as for the prices i know what you guys mean, total joke what some people are asking for certain models.
i've been having a peep now and again for a VN-VS 5L as second car for a new daily, preferably a calais or stato. but everything is just run down, no roady (which is f'n required if your selling a car with rego still on it! ffs), clearly not that well looked after and they're asking as much as a base model LS1 equipt car. which mind you i'd love an LS1, but i really dont care too much for the shape of most commodores after the VS series (there are ofcourse certain exceptions).
it's almost to the point where im really tempted to drop an LS1 in my current VS - but thats a minimum 12k project right there.

[Grennan]

yeah the "i" is for injected, like 185kw injected 5L.

as for the prices i know what you guys mean, total joke what some people are asking for certain models.
i've been having a peep now and again for a VN-VS 5L as second car for a new daily, preferably a calais or stato. but everything is just run down, no roady (which is f'n required if your selling a car with rego still on it! ffs), clearly not that well looked after and they're asking as much as a base model LS1 equipt car. which mind you i'd love an LS1, but i really dont care too much for the shape of most commodores after the VS series (there are ofcourse certain exceptions).
it's almost to the point where im really tempted to drop an LS1 in my current VS - but thats a minimum 12k project right there.

See your at a similar cross road to me. I love the VR/S shape and overall im not really "big" on the VT/X shape. Id love to still buy a VS Clubsport (maybe, im really quite sick of them to be honest), but the prices they are asking are hitting the VTII-VXII SS range. Why would I want a 180,000+ KM car when for an extra grand I can get a LS1 with much lower K's, lots of the newer comforts and more power. Not to mention its MUCH EASIER to find a manual 6 spd SS than it is to find a manual 5 spd Clubsport.

[Chilli_Red]

Abit off topic but I was in the same boat when I bought my XR6.
I searched the net for a good 8 months before I found mine.

My criteria was manual, low kays and chilli red.
I ended up getting mine with those features at 117000kays aswell as a passenger airbag, cruise, heavyduty tow(which i'm removing) and a genuine high set spoiler and front lip so I snapped it up but at $11k I definetly paid above market value for it having everything I wanted(apart from tickford rims) combined with finance I didnt have too much room to bargain.

It's funny before my brother bought his vu ss the other week we were looking at vs ss's aswell and it was the same thing with most of the ones I looked at almost all were way over priced.

[commsirac]

Cars are overpriced? Dont be too critical of the selllers. Many sellers are looking to get rid of their vehicles often rare and in superb condition, but simply dont want to give them away just because the market has gone scared. If they dont want to give you their car at the price you want to pay, you dont have to buy it.

Unfortunately it only needs a couple of sellers to fold, because they are desperate for cash and quickly erodes what the "market value" of the vehicle is. My advice for sellers is just sit on them, if you can, and wait for better times and a reasonable offer.

[STEALTHY™]

The problem is, most sellers 'think' that have a rare an immaculate vehicle.


Mate from work looked at an escort, and flew to ACT to have a look at it. in this pics you couldn't see all to good, but the whole 'fresh respray' had orange peel through it. The owner claimed it was immac. my mate got there and almost knocked this guy out for claiming it was immac, not once did he mention the shit paint, and happily let someone buy a plane ticket (make that 2) knowing he only wanted an immac car.


Same goes for cars i've looked at, some sellers are delusional when they say immaculate. i've looked at cars with missing interior bits, scuffed paint, even one with complete paint fade on the top panels, all claimed to be immaculate, to get people to look (who would, given the car was immaculate as advertised, have payed that price). Whilst these people are out there, thats whats giving mixed results in market value.

Immaculate should only be used to describe a car thats......immaculate condition. Anything else (with some imperfections) should be classed average or above average according.

[minux]

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i see a lovely silver one in n.s.w, with 130,000km and looking all original. i was prepared to give the guy 16,000 in cash with no reg or roady and private sale with no warranty, as i live in a different state. he wanted 26,000, unreg, unroadworthy, needing 2 tyres and a few other minor things. now why would anyone in they're right mind pay that, when on the same site a 05 vz senator with 87,000km and one owner, full hsv service history and just out of its lease beautiful looking car, registered with roadworhty and everything and only asking 29k. its rediculous

What site was this? Find it hard to believe a VZ Senator is for sale at that price...I will buy it right now if that is the case.

[Wagon_Wheel]

Heaps of them are overpriced. But 26 grand for one thats stupid he even thinks he will get any where near that, they arnt that rare or anything.
Keep your eye open man, they are around for a decent price. There was a green VR GTS 215i for sale in north vic about 2 months ago for 10,500 with 140,000 k's body looked good and everything too. Sold quick though, mate wanted to go look at it but sold before he got a chance to get up there to look

[sv9946]

i offered a guy with a 215i manual one in silver with leather no roof 16k cash, with no rego, no roadworthy, 2 buggered tyres, some minor paint repairs needed, no warranty and a private sale. by the time i re registered it, 2 tyres, 1000 worht of paintwork, roadworthy and some other minor problems it would have owed me 20k, i think that was fair.

i knew minux would have to share his opinion. you find it hard to beleive hey? basically claiming i'm a lier? well here is the link to it, so now you better hold up your end of the deal and buy it (also, i assume i get a drive for finding it?) berry mica, one owner 87,000km etc etc, owner is looking for the residual only on the lease.

2005 Hsv Senator Z 4dr Sedan Automatic 8cyl 6.0L For Sale - uniquecarsales.com.au

as has been said before, i don't need one, nor am i in a hurry. it would be interesting to see wat one would make at an auction, as that would determine a real world price. i'll always be looking, as thats what cars interest me. i can find cheap vx-vz senators or even just hsv's but they don't light my fire. cars like the vz i just gave a link to i can find even cheaper at wholesalers through my work. but it hasn't got the interest that a vs has to me. i have a ve sv6 manual ute on the way, so i don't need anything, more just a hobby/interest/toy or whatever you class it as.

i may just keep looking, or i may just put the money into a house in the next year or so with the rest of my deposit. my other option is a brand new gsx-r 1000 for weekend toy instead.

and stealthy, your 100% right. i travelled 3 hours to meet a guy in melb who decided he didn't wanna part with his car anymore , and didn't think it would be necessary to tell me. luckily i was down there for work anyway, otherwise i would have waisted the best part of a day. and immaculate ones that aren't immaculate or even close, i've had that alot too. or even genuine hsv's that are mock ups when you see them. i've had it all.

that vr gts you mentioned is about what one would be worht, perhaps if it was a good car a bit more even, as gts's have more resale appeal than senator's (or appear too). if you see anything like i'm after i.e. vs senator 215i or gts, or vt senator 220i or gts, please give me a yell. (holden stroker motor's only, no gen3's)

[Cobez]

Just keep hunting dude, i bought my 185i Senator, Cherry black, factory sunroof, auto, factory 10 stacker in MINT condition with 143,000 on the clock off a bloke in the country for $11,900 and it had 12 months rego and no RWC (which the car passed first shot anyway).

It took me bloody AGES to find one that grabbed me instantly.

[one_and_only2004]

I can never really understand why people think these old cars are worth anything more than 10, especially when my friend just went to the dealers a month ago and bought a VX for 4300 in perfect condition - not one scratch on it. There's a VY II SS ute around town going for 20k for about 2 years now - it's got 11,000km's on it.