Supercharged V6 vs Stock V8?

[SmokiestGrunl]

Would a supercharged V6 be able to keep up with a stock V8 (atleast not get flogged)?

[DAKSTER]

Depends on how old the v6 is and how old the v8 is. A HQ 253 had 138kw, the 308 179kw and the 350 205kw.

The stock LS1 is good for about 285kw.

A stock ecotec v6 had 147kw, add a raptor and bump that up to 300kw.

So yeah, in most cases, an ecotec with a raptor will beat a stock v8, if they are in the same car with the same basic options. If its an older v8, the blown v6 will leave it in its dust.

[monkeys437]

Depends on which V8 and whats been done to the V6. The factory supercharged 6 from VS and VT S1 was about equal with the 5L V8 from the same model.But then when the LS1 came in that was a bit quicker than the 6.
Ive got a factory supercharged V6 with pulley, rockers and 3.46 LSD and Its about equal to my mates stock VX SS. Mines better off the line but he has more action higher in the rev range

[Jesterarts]

Would a supercharged V6 be able to keep up with a stock V8 (atleast not get flogged)?

Yes.














/sarc.

More information needed in regards to spec of both cars.

[one_and_only2004]

I can tell you that my old 240rwkw raptor 6 would have had no chance in keeping up with my SS, even when it was stock.

[richardpalinkas]

I beg to differ, a raptor v6 will usually get mid 13 down the 1/4, obviously depending on whether it's intercooler or not. A stock ss usually runs 14 odd, maybe 13 if lucky, also depending on what model ss as well

[GRPABT1]

Stock for stock I've never seen a super 6 keep up with a 5.0L injected holden V8

[87LAG]

Trust me mine is all over a gen 3 with exhaust.

[someguy360]

Stock for stock I've never seen a super 6 keep up with a 5.0L injected holden V8

I have seen N/A 6's with some mods keep up with stock 5.0's

I have dragged plenty of stock 5.0's down at the track and my Ecotec with a full exhaust with pacies and high flow cat, tune, CAI, manifold spacers and a shift kit and never once have I had a stock 304 pull away from me down the quarter......a modded 304 would whip it but not a stock 5L, they are not fast engines.

[richardpalinkas]

i think that before this thread goes any further, we need to know.

a. supercharged v6, are you refering to the L67 or a raptor supercharged v6?
b. what model v8? 5L, 5.7L, 6.0L?

if you are refering to the l67, all v8's will beat it, maybe the odd 5l will lose.
if you are refering to a raptor v6, it will in most cases beat all v8's, maybe a bit of trouble with the 6L

[DAKSTER]

i think that before this thread goes any further, we need to know.

a. supercharged v6, are you refering to the L67 or a raptor supercharged v6?
b. what model v8? 5L, 5.7L, 6.0L?

if you are refering to the l67, all v8's will beat it, maybe the odd 5l will lose.
if you are refering to a raptor v6, it will in most cases beat all v8's, maybe a bit of trouble with the 6L

Of course, it never even occured to me that he might mean an L67. I was referring to a raptor v6 vs a stock v8. Of course thats a no brainer, the raptor beats virtually any stock v8 except maybe the 6L as stated.

Dunno about all v8s even with an L67 though, I would think even an L67 could whip the pants off any stock v8 earlier than an L67 (except for some of the HDT,HSV,Brock etc enhanced v8s). There was bugger all difference between the L67 and the stock v8 of the same year, and it certainly had more grunt than earlier v8s.

Before the haters jump in.. the question was 'Would a supercharged V6 be able to keep up with a stock V8. The OP isnt asking which engine you prefer.

[VT-565]

[one_and_only2004]

I think a raptor charged vs would keep up easily due to its weight advantage, but a VY - not so much. I went straight from my raptor VY into my stock SS and the raptor had no chance, but I'd like to have a go in a raptor VZ before I pass judgment there.

[DAKSTER]

I know what you mean, but just on power figures, a raptor ecotec gets around 300kw fairly easily, but a VY SS has a 235kw gen3 stock. In the same car, the raptor would still win?

This assumes of course that all else is the same. The v8 may have different gearing in normal circumstances, I dont know. Of course, stick a raptor on the v8 as well and its a whole new ball game.

[Raptor Charged VX]

It's not always about power figures. Torque and power delivery plays a huge part in any race. My vy ss with a stall and exhaust ran a 13.1 ( auto tranny). My manual raptor vx v6. 14.6. The vx made more power but couldn't get it down. And now I'm making 540rwhp out of the vy and bet I can get is 12.7, simply can't get the power to the ground. Just goes to show there are so many things to factor in. Not just RWKW numbers

[one_and_only2004]

I know what you mean, but just on power figures, a raptor ecotec gets around 300kw fairly easily, but a VY SS has a 235kw gen3 stock. In the same car, the raptor would still win?

This assumes of course that all else is the same. The v8 may have different gearing in normal circumstances, I dont know. Of course, stick a raptor on the v8 as well and its a whole new ball game.

You need to stop basing it on killerwasps.
Old ute - 240rwkw with a peak torque of 490nm at about 5000rpm
SS - probably around 220rwkw stock with roughly 550nm from about 3500 onwards.

[CHA53R]

I LOVE THIS VIDEO... L67 FTW.... LOVE THE SOUND OF A V8 THOUGH.VT Commodore Intercooled L67 Burnout and 1/4 Mile - YouTube

[GRPABT1]

Pretty sure I said stock for stock L67 versus 5.0L

The least powerful inj 5.0L Holden V8 was 160kw which matches all but the XU6 L67's for power and chomps them on torque all through the rev range. Factor in that the L67 didn't come out in a light weight model variant ever and it's obvious why a dirty old 160kw VN V8 will dust a standard VT L67. I've seen stock VN SS manuals run 15 flat with a cat back, never seen a stock L67 come close.

Remove the variable of the drivers ability and it just won't happen. I'm not talking about your fully wanked ecotec special beating a clapped out bog stocker V8 with some numpty behind the wheel. Nor am I comparing the apple and orange of a built raptor charged car versus a stock vehicle.

An XU6 might stand a chance on a good day against a heavier stocko 5.0L model variant, if the conditions are in it's favour.


*cue über V6 defensiveness

[GenFree]

L67's(all)make more torque and sooner than most entry level 5ltrs which will always get them the jump,read,the jump.A better area of speed from the op would have given way less variables.

Im a Holden V8 man and have owned a few in various states of tune,I also have a VX L67 and a XR6 turbo,trust me you aint getting a biassed opinion here.

I have seen a XU6 run a 14.1 stock bar a enclosed filter.60 foot was 1.94,try that in a stock 5ltr(60 foot time).

The L67's seem to have been way underated over the years,doesnt look to change either.

[GenFree]

You need to stop basing it on killerwasps.
Old ute - 240rwkw with a peak torque of 490nm at about 5000rpm
SS - probably around 220rwkw stock with roughly 550nm from about 3500 onwards.

550rwnm from a stock SS?

What are they at the flywheel?

[GRPABT1]

Rear wheel Nm aren't an entirely accurate or straight forward measurement on a dyno, gearing can multiply torque. But a stock gen3 does not have 550nm at the motor.

[CHA53R]

I ran a 5.0l when I first got my car and was pretty even. He started to creep away at 100kms.I have only spent a few hundred on boost upgrade 10psi, cai, exhaust and a full service. Ran 2 5.0l from the lights and beat them both 0-100kms waiting to get rockers and will have no probs. Stats say stock for stock l67 is 1 second faster 0-100. Comes down to the driver. And how well maintained the car is. L67 has a fair bit of bottom end torque and the 5.0l picks it up in the top end. im glad I went the super6 over the 5.0l but like a v8 more thus why I'm saving for a vy SS wagon then s/c it. Best of both worlds..

[one_and_only2004]

550rwnm from a stock SS?

What are they at the flywheel?

Holden specs them at 530nm - I was 20nm off. My point is it comes on earlier harder, and more consistently than a centrifugal charged shock-o-tec.

I'm talking about my VZ SS, not a gen 3 motor.

[GRPABT1]

A drag race is longer than a 0-100 race.

[SmokiestGrunl]

Ok, I'll redefine my question.

Stock VZ V8 Ute vs Supercharged VZ V6.

Bloke from work is getting the ute and I'm keen on beating him.