VZ Alloytec Kit Development

[Kung-Foo-Kamel]

The vehicle is an SV6 automatic sedan that the kit is fitted to

The vehicle is currently being tuned with VCM suite, I think your other options will be better since its the other side of AU, the Haltech also supports fly by wire throttle now.

So the Haltec will be ok to use with a charger, its real hard to get any info on these, no one that I know of has used one on a Alloytec yet, hard to know what it can and cant do, I may just end up getting a charger and mounting bracket from you and making my own kit up

I have another mob that are devaloping a kit for these but I dont know how good there vortex charger is, yours looks pretty sweat, I gather you wont have problems sending via courier to WA, I have bought those horrible CRS Kits in from Melbourne already, no issues there (apart from they suck badly)

I will PM you my work eMail

Cheers

KFK

[Raptorsc]

KFK

Got your PM, will respond soon. I think you will have seen enough evidence on JC and elsewhere that we do the good thing, looking forward to working with you.

[Raptorsc]

Well the VZ has rolled out the door of MSA in Brissy and been in customers hands all week so far. An issue with intercooler flow really cut the boost down, this has to be rectified so normal boost pressures can be realised. Boost should be about 8psi on the pulley suppled but is showing just 4 psi at present. A test revealed the intercooler to be very restrictive. 4psi = 170rwkw up from 130rwkw stock. 1 psi = 10rwkw!

Anyhow, soon we will add another 4- 6psi of cooled boost and crank out some real numbers

AND AND AND we now hold a VCM tune for supercharging Alloytec engines!!! And they are SUPER RARE! And yes we do sell this tune to whoever wants it, will save someone at least 10hrs of solid work.

More info coming soon

[Kung-Foo-Kamel]

Have you thought about using water injection instead of a intercooler, I was thinking of using a snow system or somthing, would be a good move considering the price of fuel these days and the low octane quality of todays fuels as well

It would elimenate flow restrictions, octane levels, detenation problems, instilation size....

Food for thought

[Raptorsc]

KFK

That is highly recommended even tho most people don't like the idea, heaps cheaper and makes the same power in nearly every instance.

Snow Performance water/meth injection kits are awesome

[andrewmac]

Have you had any issues or believe there may be any issues with the auto in the 190?
I know they are at there (or close too) maximum torque rating and thought that this would cause some damage quite quickly in the 5 speed if it is not up to the task.
I would love to look at doing this in the future but the gearbox may pose an issue.

[Kung-Foo-Kamel]

Have you had any issues or believe there may be any issues with the auto in the 190?
I know they are at there (or close too) maximum torque rating and thought that this would cause some damage quite quickly in the 5 speed if it is not up to the task.
I would love to look at doing this in the future but the gearbox may pose an issue.

If you up th output of the motor, then shorten the final drive ratio to 3.7 or 3.9 that will take up some of the extra stress on transmission, basicly reducing load on the output side of the auto, if you leave the 2.79 ratio in it would probably stress the auto a little, also the rating is probably a conservative rating and is probably 25 to 50% under what it can really handle

[Raptorsc]

Transmission strength comment

There have been quite a few of these supercharged by people other than us, only issues I am aware of at this point in time is the clutch on the manual needs an upgrade, no other reports that I have heard of.

[Raptorsc]

Well our Alloytec is now back up to 9psi pressure, intercooler tank design changed and flowing awesomely

Tuning could not be fully completed today as time ran out but next week should show some numbers Yeah thats what we are talking about bigger numbers

Through Matt we are aiming to have a shop really dedicated to Alloytec performance with a simple drive in drive out service for a GREAT price.


Current special for 1 month is any VZ Alloytec or WM statesman V6 drive in drive out - 200rwkw Raptor ProStreet kit fitted and tuned for a crazy price of $5500. No hidden costs, thats the FULL DEAL.

There is no cheaper deal or better service available for the Alloytec in Australia!

[lacy18]

So how did the tuning go? What sort of numbers did you pull?

[Raptorsc]

A timely question there

Today provided another round of tuning updates, unfortunately it appears that the air flow meter is providing a restriction, this seems quite unlikely to me but it has been measured that is the story, we have 9psi before it and 4 psi after it! So we are investigating why this is so, on the Black ute we did originally we got 9psi with the AFM in a draw through configuration but for some spastic reason it gets pressure drop when set up for blow through.

There is MUCH more to come yet in conquering this issue as we have plenty of upstream boost to make use of if we can get it into the manifold.

[JD]

have you guys tested it on a 5spd auto VZ SV6 yet?

just checking the specs, the 5spd is designed to handle up to 340nm of torque and the alloytec pumps out 340nm of torque!

might be something to warn customers of if they are putting it on a stock 5spd.

[lacy18]

A timely question there

Today provided another round of tuning updates, unfortunately it appears that the air flow meter is providing a restriction, this seems quite unlikely to me but it has been measured that is the story, we have 9psi before it and 4 psi after it! So we are investigating why this is so, on the Black ute we did originally we got 9psi with the AFM in a draw through configuration but for some spastic reason it gets pressure drop when set up for blow through.

There is MUCH more to come yet in conquering this issue as we have plenty of upstream boost to make use of if we can get it into the manifold.

That's really really weird! I suppose when the MAF was designed for the engine it was done so as to get the best flow with a draw through configuration, as it was designed for a NA engine. Maybe it's the actual design of the MAF that's stuffing it up? What happens if you turn the MAF around so that it faces the opposite direction? And in doing so trick it into thinking that it's still using a draw through configuration. I'm probably completely off the mark but just an idea!

Either way I can't wait to see the figures it pulls when you can get all the pressure into the manifold.

Scrap that, after thinking about it a bit more I'm pretty sure that won't work. The air still has to go through in the same direction irregardless of being a blow through or draw through configuration...jeez I'm just getting myself confused here lol!

[Raptorsc]

Will keep you informed, there has been changes made to the AFM by another customer but it made no difference either, someone is barking up the wrong tree on this one maybe, I asked them to check throttle plate position at supposed full throttle position and it is indicating everything to be fine.

Will keep U all informed

[Raptorsc]

FINALLY we have a breakthrough on our intercooled VZ today, it turns out to be the intercooler, a fault in it or with its modification has rendered it useless and a new one will be sourced, another one was added for a test run and manifold pressure immediately went to 12psi and power instantly climbed 42rwkw instantly with no tune to suit, so that immediately confirmed the pressure loss has been resolved.

So next time car is back cooler will be replaced, and tune to suit, we are at 212rwkw with no tuning to suit so I expect to see 220rwkw + very easily.

Stay tuned as we get victory on this matter

[Raptorsc]

On the thought of dyno days ......... I suspect the future will see a few Raptor powered Alloytecs cranking out some hard to beat numbers too

[listen_to_slayer]

What options do i have living in Victoria in regards to having a Raptor kit installed? Do you guys have anyone down here that can install them? Or do i book it and make a holiday of going up to QLD and getting you guys to do the job?

[Raptorsc]

liston_to_slayer

You absolutely have a very good option, Electronic Automotive at Epping are our people there and you would be in very good hands, they can also competently load the VCM tune. No need to come to Qld, you have the best real close. Were you thinking non intercooled or cooled?

[Raptorsc]

Also there shall soon be more pics of intercooled Alloytec's gracing this thread Next 3 weeks should produce something

[listen_to_slayer]

well im not sure if i should go cooled or not... what is the price difference between the cooled and non-cooled kits? and generally how much more power does an intercooler provide? (rough guess)

Glad to hear i can have it all installed down here, very interested!

[Raptorsc]

The cooler will add about 10 - 15rwkw

The Price diffence is at least $1600

[Raptorsc]

Today is D Day for the next VZ to see the light of day with Raptor Intercooled kit happening. Also VCM are finally working with us and being helpful as opposed to doing otherwise, not that it would have really made too much difference as we had the tuning pretty sorted anyway.

Will report more later

[Raptorsc]

Here is the chart for a 190 with our 8psi intercooled kit

The before and after power curves are at the bottom of chart just shy of 60% increase(red and blue) and at the top of chart are the before and after torque curves 42% increase (red and blue).

The one thing the Alloytec needs is a strong serve of torque and its pretty clear the ProStreet Intercooled kit delivers this, a 3rd gear run will bring up the power figure and reduce torque figure however all testing so far in before and after has been in 2nd gear so its an apples to apples situation.


Coming soon is Stage 2

From Stage 2 we expect quite a significant torque increase yet again.


Any questions, let me know them or ring Matt Stocker on 07 3800 3709

I might be biased but this if the first decently tuned "KIT" that is in the market place, i am sure there are other vehicles out there which individually may have a good tune but we are presenting a kit for sale with a lot of quality dyno time behind it.

Enjoy

[Raptorsc]

A picture is worth a thousand words

I will let them do the talking

Kit will fit all VZ utes, wagons and sedans with the alloytec engine

[cold_carve]

lookin haunt!