VE Alloytec Kit? Any chance?

[Cursed CX8]

Im probably not the only VE V6 owner wondering how long it will be before Raptor bring out a VE kit, it would only make sense that one would be in development...right? After all, the VZ alloytec kit is available, CAPA make a VE kit and small workshops are making vortech mounting plates for the VE.

Im interested in running good figures with good times too, what am i looking at spending? Capa sell a vortech stealth kit for about $5k, do i do it? or do i wait for Raptor to bring something out?

[DJ Ice]

I'll second this, I like whats been happening with the VZ kits. I think there maybe some clearance issues with the VE but if CAPA can do it.

[Cursed CX8]

Capa have seen results of around 180rwkw with 4-6psi on the standard fuel system. Thats not bad. 220-245 with 9-12psi and a fuel system upgrade.

[radarak47]

The raptor kit for the VE might be a little way off as no development is going into a reverse rotation unit at this stage. The VE needs this due to space.

[Raptorsc]

Go the CAPA kit people, for the VE. Yep just do it, I won't be getting into VE anytime soon or later so far I can see, we need a radical change to the blower to make it good for VE. Not feasable at this time.

Keep me posted on your results, the service standards, backup etc, very interested

[Cursed CX8]

thanks for the honestly mate. i really do appreciate it. Tell me, if i could get the reverse rotation blower etc from vortec, would it be possible for you to make the mounts for it?

also, what exactally is the difference between the vz and ve that requires the reverse rotation blower?

[monaro327]

Mate lift the bonnet on a vz and it's obvious the ve has the motor pushed so much further back into the car to improve handling meaning the strut towers come alot closer to the front of the motor where the blower has to fit to be crank driven.

[HoldenManDan]

Capa have seen results of around 180rwkw with 4-6psi on the standard fuel system. Thats not bad. 220-245 with 9-12psi and a fuel system upgrade.

hmmm but what sort of times are you looking at with these setups? Thats what i'd be basing my decision on as to whether i bought it or not.

just my 2c

[Raptorsc]

Classified

We could do the mounts etc but need car and blower, have neither so can't help too much there. Might not be so difficult to do it better than the bought one anyway, sorry I can't offer you more help.

[Cursed CX8]

hmmm but what sort of times are you looking at with these setups? Thats what i'd be basing my decision on as to whether i bought it or not.

just my 2c

low to mid 12's apparently.

Classified

We could do the mounts etc but need car and blower, have neither so can't help too much there. Might not be so difficult to do it better than the bought one anyway, sorry I can't offer you more help.

Thanks for that mate, kinda put it on the back burner for a little while. The boredom bug had bitten so im looking for a panel van or ute to restore

[Sv6_needboost]

Would be good to get a system like this for ve sv6's, definitely woud love a raptor s/c on my v6. I hope it would be cheaper than capa's sv6 s/c!

btw broke my 1st post virginity

[kuzman89]

updates? would be interesting to see if ne ones sc'd theres

[monaro327]

i don't think they plan to make one for some time. you guys don't seem to understand they'd have to completely re engineer their current blowers.

proflow were making a turbo kit but they haven't updated there thread on stretcommo forum about it in ages.

[Raptorsc]

Yes - as said by monaro327 we won't be doing a VE Alloytec kit

I have also noticed the turbo kit scene for Alloytec going quiet again, there are 2 possible reasons, there could be others as well.

[kuzman89]

last update on the street commo thread wasn't that long ago, so theres hope still lol.

Monaro, can powerchip tune a FI alloytec?

[monaro327]

last post by proflow was on the 10/04/09.

i think / have heard the problem with the turbo well all forced induction on the alloytec is the poor support from vcm.

Kuzman i'd say powerchip could tune a blown alloytec but it would get a bit messy on a late model one like ours. powerchip haven't yet cracked the bootloaders on the 08 model ve same as vcm but cause powerchip are using the actual bosch software they tune the late model cars but removing the ecu opening it up and connecting to the on board port thats inside the ecu used to upload the original tune from factory this way they don't have to crack the boot loaders but this would amke dyno tuning slow.

eg make changes refit dyno run remove retune refit dyno run. wouldn't be an issue if you have the money i guess you'd be best to discuss a price with them mate. the advantage to powerchip is that they can retune any feature in the ecu with there software cause it's all there compared to vcm but you really have to lean on them to go that bit further otherwise they jut want to sell you there standard gold chip crap tune. i sat there with the bloke going through what i wanted.

CAPA offer a piggy back ecu with there blower kit thats another option.

[Raptorsc]

Something to watch out for, after approx March 08 the ECU in the VE Commodore cannot be tuned (reflashed), the software to tune a VE V6 made after Mar 08 will not be available to around sometime late 2010.

Anyone looking to by a V6 for boosting is best recommended to stay with nothing much later than VZ for now.

We were asked to provide a tuning solution for a customer who had bought a centrifugal kit for a VE from another supplier which wasn't supplied with any tuning, subsequent investigation found that no flash tuning solution is available at all, not sure where the piggyback comes into this equation or if its even an option for VE owners.

Stick with VZ Alloytec if you are in the market to buy

[monaro327]

interesting raptor considering i just got my my09 model VE sv6 powerchip flash tuned.

the my06 and my07ve's use the E77 ecu which can be vcm tuned.
my08+ use the e69 ecu same as whats used for the direct injection motors i guess it became cheaper for gm to bluk by e69 ecu's for all alloytec's.

[Raptorsc]

Monaro328

Thankyou for that info, I will now follow this up to confirm

[monaro327]

Raptor if you read my post 3 posts up from the 2/6/09. you'll see i give a detailed description of what powerchip do. they open the ecu and program it directly via the onboard port so they don't have to crack any boot loaders.

[Raptorsc]

Monaro 327

Thanks for that, I am not reading the thread properly it seems

You are welcome to put your NA dyno chart up here with before and after results if you like. Fire away...

Crafty buggers hey those tuners

[monaro327]

the software they use is german and can apparently tune any bosch ecu. because they use the port on the ecu mainboard and not the obd there is no security to crack.