issues, drama's

[Garth]

righty o, read this thread very very carefully, this post only ofcourse you dont need to read every reply


seems we may be a little bit out with a few things.

im a resonable type of bloke i like to think that i do moderate and control people fair. im the worst for letting t hings slide, and i know i dont exactly follow the rules myself half the time (sometimes i do things before it gets' bad)

now, im also open to comment and views also.

does anyone here wanna see the current rule system tightened up? or loosend a little bit. if someone calles someone a tosser is that worth a ban?

your view's a needed guy's and galls. type yoru responses here, or your view's. but do not attack moderater's directly. attack what they do, but dont put names to actions and dont make it obvious, dont make it personal against other members, its' not about them, if you have issues with members pm me about that also. i want examples as to where we are falling down
you dont need to reply to this thread, if you wanna put your 2 cents out there, but dont wanna be known, feel free to pm me
if you act responsobly it will be delt upon
if you carry on like kiddies you will be delt with. the choice is yours
your privacy is guarenteed, and the info will be kept with me (if pm'd)

[1vngal]

Ok, well....

All I really have to say is, I get the feeling personal issues between mods and members can sometimes get in the way or a moderators decision on some topics/situations. But I don't think thats something that can be fixed. Thats just a part of the way humans are.

Extremely harsh punishments are being handed down for things that really don't deserve such a harsh penalty.

And a lot of it is us members bringing personal issues in to threads, and a lot of us do it, we just don't realise half the time. It's not fair for us all to point the finger at the mods, and accuse them of not doing their jobs, because they are. I just think that sometimes personal feelings can cloud ones judgement.

We as memebers have to accept some responisbility here too. Some of us going fishing for a bite and don't give up till we get one. And more often than not, it's gets outta hand into a full blown shit fight. Thats when the trouble starts.

[JD]

i think it should be tighted to a degree but i also think that that special consideration should be allowed for people who post a lot to help other people with their commodore reslated issue, but for plain wankers that say your mums a ****ing slut then they shold be shown the door asap

maybe you should have a commitee of people who arnt necessarly moderators but people who visit the site every day and who post well to discuss the issue and dicide whether or not a person should go.

[Darren]

Funny you should mention that JD regarding a group of people who aren't mods, I just popped up that idea myself in not soo many words. I actually do have a couple of people in mind which would be perfect, a real hard arse and says it how it is with no bull.

It's a difficult situation to handle, someone pushes someone's buttons and that's it you have it in for them, I guess the hardest part of being a mod / admin is working out that fine line of what sort of punishment is dished out if any.

[shaggerz]

I think that current moderation is excellent, despite the fact that personal opinions can get in the way. When they do, the system is in place to deal with that... members instead decide to create a thread complaining instead of following the proper procedure.

EDIT: Should probably elaborate on that...

Current mods, like all people, have their moments, but usually they are due to disrespect for the forum and for the work they do for free and in their own time. If members would just follow the correct process, then everything would work out. I have had disagreements with moderators before, and sorted 100% of them amicably. Anything a mod can do that you can't can be either revoked or justified further if you just send a PM to another moderator, or site admin. That is why mods always suggest you send a message to admin... It is not a fob-off, its to encourage everyone to follow proper process.

[vlv8vic]

tighten it up, ive had unnecesary negative rep left by a member and i was powerless to do anything about it because of the opinion that if i did something it was "because i have powers and dont like the person".
True, i think the person is a waste of space but i gave them the chance to explain how i deserved it and didnt get a reply.
i dont think people realise how much crap we put up just so as it doesnt become a bigger issue where mods and admin are abused.
For the record i never deleted that rep comment, because it proves that A) it isnt my right to do so and b) proof that the person isnt particularly valuable.

In fewer words, tightening things up will save us being in these positions.

[JD]

Funny you should mention that JD regarding a group of people who aren't mods, I just popped up that idea myself in not soo many words. I actually do have a couple of people in mind which would be perfect, a real hard arse and says it how it is with no bull.

It's a difficult situation to handle, someone pushes someone's buttons and that's it you have it in for them, I guess the hardest part of being a mod / admin is working out that fine line of what sort of punishment is dished out if any.

thats why a commitee is such a good idea if one commitee member has something against the person in question he still has to sway a few other people befoere the person gets banned.

[88GreenVN]

Keep it simple is often the best way.
Keep personal attacks out of this very valuable service.
My 2 bobs worth.

[Christina]

i just wish mods could personally see some of the PM's i get from certain people off this site, but i guess that's why it's called "private".. right? thankfully, i don't send abuse regarding people's personal appearance or beliefs.

but nah, anyway, the system is good, i don't think people get banned for silly name calling (like some keep saying). mods are fair, it's obvious they look at their history and other things they have said, total it up, something has to break it.

nuff' said.

[Garth]

keep them comming guy's remember, you can pm me if you wish. it doestn have to be a public responce, but please do read my original post at the very top, very very carefully

[Christina]

ok, i know i said this in a PM but ill say it again.

mods should have a way of viewing PM's (therefore the truth can be seen and people can be stopped from making up crap and sending it to a mod).

but only if a member feels it is nessecery, in a serious case of abuse etc.


personal attacks on appearance or threats, instant and permanent ban

[vy_storm]

mods should have a way of viewing PM's (therefore the truth can be seen and people can be stopped from making up crap and sending it to a mod).

We do have a way of viewing your pm's, but it would mean surrendering your account over to us for access.

[shaggerz]

i just wish mods could personally see some of the PM's i get from certain people off this site, but i guess that's why it's called "private".. right? thankfully, i don't send abuse regarding people's personal appearance or beliefs.

but nah, anyway, the system is good, i don't think people get banned for silly name calling (like some keep saying). mods are fair, it's obvious they look at their history and other things they have said, total it up, something has to break it.

nuff' said.

I have heard after speaking to a few female members that they have all received abusive PMs for apparently no better reason than they are female. I suspect a few members on here have a chip on their shoulder R.E. "cars are a guy only thing". After speaking to these few female members, I believe that a tougher stance should be taken against personal attacks via private message.

I actually had an experience like that where a former member would send me messages that were downright abusive and it was fairly obvious they were not prompted in any way. I simply kept the message history and forwarded to a moderator. The user was then banned and I have not seen them since.

My experience was a positive one, but I hear that this is often not the case. I would definitely like to see this one toughened up, with abusive PMs resulting in 6 month or longer bans.

[Christina]

I have heard after speaking to a few female members that they have all received abusive PMs for apparently no better reason than they are female. I suspect a few members on here have a chip on their shoulder R.E. "cars are a guy only thing". After speaking to these few female members, I believe that a tougher stance should be taken against personal attacks via private message.

I actually had an experience like that where a former member would send me messages that were downright abusive and it was fairly obvious they were not prompted in any way. I simply kept the message history and forwarded to a moderator. The user was then banned and I have not seen them since.

My experience was a positive one, but I hear that this is often not the case. I would definitely like to see this one toughened up, with abusive PMs resulting in 6 month or longer bans.

well said, i would agree to this.

i got told by someone off a cruise i organised "why the ... dot dot dot dot are you driving a commodore? i would have thought a girly barina would be your thing".... hahahah i still laugh at this.

but yeah, i agree on the 6 months ban thing for abusive PM's

oh yeah i'd let a mod into my account to see my PM's lol

[1vngal]

Rather than surrender an account, the PM can simply be forwarded to mods/admin. I have done this and they get it just the same as they would if they were to go into your account.

[1991_Vn2nV]

I think the current moderation is great, but the banning of some members is a little over the top when there are other members more deserving of it.

Juzza may have had his issues on this forum, most of which I have no idea about...But I do know he contributed a fair bit to this forum as well. But in the end, it was obviously his choice to push the envelope too far with admin. But there are several members of this forum who provide NOTHING useful, do not help other members and simply just bag other people, cause arguments and stir shit. The people that do this but do NOT provide anything useful should be banned, because there is no need for them here on this site. But there are people that do cause a few arguments by sticking to their beliefs and maybe being a little crude about it but at the same time they still add something to the fourm, and help other members and so deserve a place on this forum... .

I think some moderators need to loosen up a little bit as well. Jokes and humour should be fine (not meaning the power ranger issue here as that went too far). But receiving infraction points for making a clear joke is crap and it annoys the shit out of me. The forum needs to be entertaining as well as informative if its to remain as popular as it is now.

[minux]

I would love to see it tightened up, i would also like to see threads that promote illegal activity instantly removed. For me i am sick of hearing the same old i did a burnout and got caught i hate coppers they did this they did that, we do not need to hear that crap.

I also agree that calling people tossers should be a warnable offence 3 strikes and wham, however, i think at times it is merited.

Starting hate clubs by leaving positive rep to give power to others to leave negative rep, instant IP ban.

JC is a car forum, to discuss things about cars, mods, trips, that kind of things, i do not wish to see in VT-VX forum how someone got pulled over and defected for being a tool.

Tighten the screws and lets see the JC of old, where people who DRIVE outnumbered people who were 14-16.

[AirStrike]

Ill be the first to admit I often go off half ****ed or let emotion rule my decisions, which I plan to try and over come.
In our defense some of you at times seem to forget we are normal people just like you all, we have bad days at work, money issues, family issues, etc which sometimes reflect our choices. These choices then turn to negative ones when you spend your free time running the site for members who we don't charge, and have to sift through 12 pages of crap. All I would ask is in future if you don't like a decision fire off a PM to any of the admin, mod or email admin@justcommodores.com.au
I feel the rules need a revamp, and the punishment system to be more clear cut (ie: infractions, warnings, ban's, ect).
AirStrike

[AirStrike]

Rather than surrender an account, the PM can simply be forwarded to mods/admin. I have done this and they get it just the same as they would if they were to go into your account.

The problem with that is they can be altered before forwarding.
At present surrendering the account is the only 100% way.
AirStrike

[1vngal]

I for one don't fully understand the infraction system. I haven't really read much about it. Maybe a locked sticky explaining that and what is and isn't tolerated at the top of this section would be good?

[1vngal]

The problem with that is they can be altered before forwarding.
At present surrendering the account is the only 100% way.
AirStrike

Well, yes. I did think of this, but if both parties involved send them, it would be obvious if one has been edited. After all, if someone has something to hide, they wouldn't even bother mentioning the PMs to admin/mods at all.

[AirStrike]

I would love to see it tightened up, i would also like to see threads that promote illegal activity instantly removed. For me i am sick of hearing the same old i did a burnout and got caught i hate coppers they did this they did that, we do not need to hear that crap.

I also agree that calling people tossers should be a warnable offence 3 strikes and wham, however, i think at times it is merited.

Starting hate clubs by leaving positive rep to give power to others to leave negative rep, instant IP ban.

JC is a car forum, to discuss things about cars, mods, trips, that kind of things, i do not wish to see in VT-VX forum how someone got pulled over and defected for being a tool.

Tighten the screws and lets see the JC of old, where people who DRIVE outnumbered people who were 14-16.

Here here!!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh * thinks back to 2004 *
AirStrike

[shaggerz]

Well, yes. I did think of this, but if both parties involved send them, it would be obvious if one has been edited. After all, if someone has something to hide, they wouldn't even bother mentioning the PMs to admin/mods at all.

I wouldn't put it past some people to frame others by making up fake PMs from them in an attempt to get them banned. I also would not put it past some people to conspire with other members to do this repeatedly. A flaw in the system here is that you can be all sunny on the forums, gain thousands of positive rep points, then bully someone via private message and they have little to no recourse.

[1vngal]

I wouldn't put it past some people to frame others by making up fake PMs from them in an attempt to get them banned. I also would not put it past some people to conspire with other members to do this repeatedly. A flaw in the system here is that you can be all sunny on the forums, gain thousands of positive rep points, then bully someone via private message and they have little to no recourse.

Yes well, I've seen it time and time again where people play the victim, when they are just as much as fault as the other person. And go to extreme lengths to hide their side of things. It's extremely unfair.

But unfortuantely, people are always going to butt heads on the forum, and arguements will arise. If only some people could be more mature about things and let them go, before people get wound up and abusive, it would save a lot of hassle.

But, I can't see that happening anytime soon. We all have our immature moments, myself included. And the majority of the time our anger emotions make our decisions before our logic side.

Maybe we all need anger management classes?

[fu2]

i personally havnt had any problems with any aspect of the site since i signed up but after reading some of the above experiences i do believe that tighting up a little bit. expecially if people are getting abused (either pm or in the forum).