Backyard Spray Job on VN commodore (Black) need info

[Bz Kn33z]

I have a Black VN commodore the paint is very sad and i am going to redo it in my shed.
I have had Mixed opinions from Local Spray Painters and i want to know the most easyest
and affective way to go about doing a Black 2pac paintjob on my car.

I know the legal terms and condition about 2pac aswell i just want more of a grasp on mixtures
and wether or not to use a clear coat or just straight off the gun.

One Spraypainting place said if you are going black get a flat black and clear it, but price will be double than the other option and thats straight off the gun with 2pac and no clearcoat.

Here is a link i was looking at if i dont buy local what do people think about it, is it a good brand and will it be enough so fourth.

6 LITRE 2K JET BLACK KIT * AUTO PAINT * INC HARDENER (eBay item 120615292133 end time 28-Mar-11 15:27:17 AEDST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats

I am after a deep black but real glossy looking without orange peel if i can help it but prep work is what i will have to get down to an art. If there is any Spray Painters by trade or a backyarder that turned out great i would like to hear from you and how you would go about the attacking the job and the do's and dont's.

Sorry for rambling on but i want to cover every corner i can thanx.

[ari666]

plenty of hi-fill and plenty of paint. the more you layer on of the black, the more you can block back flat after its dry.

not sure about your current paint though. some guys on here reckon that spraying 2K over acrylic is a big no no. so surface preperation is all up to how far you wanna take it

also: get a mask. and a good one. that crap really hurts your lungs.

[Bz Kn33z]

Thanx for the reply, Its black already but real thin and has pearl in it i will take back the crows feet back to metal its mostly going back to metal.

Do i put a clear over it? Also i heard you can put abit of Pearl in the Clear. Its cherry Black atm.

[ari666]

you can if you want. personally i wouldnt. clear is just another thing in a long line of things that can go wrong. plain ol' regular black looks really nice and sprays out pretty easily, so it'd be good for your first time with a gun.


just get ready to rub the fingerprints off your fingers. a LOT of sanding ahead of ya

[VKCOMMO]

yeah, 2K and 2K primer is toxic if absorbed through skin or lungs isnt it?

[Bz Kn33z]

I'm going to do it in my shed with the door open, and tarps on the roof and walls, What do people think about the Ebay link? and does anyone know where i can get a good mask but priced well. you have to get a better one that a charcol one dont you?

[Faynt11]

get a sandstrom blue kit, a little pricey but well worth it. although you really want an air fed respirator and a spray suit. all 2k products are highly toxic. if you're gonna paint it 2k black in the shed, prepare for a lot and i mean a lot of buffing. can i suggest putting some exhaust fans in the windows and using a hose to wet down your walls and floor. this'll help a lot. also try keeping your coats medium wet. this help come buffing time.

as always if you need to know anything else. hit me up

[ari666]

+1 to sundstrom. but surprisingly those filters need to be replaced pretty often. i use mine whenever i am doing anything that kicks up dust (rubbing bog, paint stripping, even sweeping the floors) and i have found it dies in about a month.

the other thing i have noticed is that my eyes sting after a big spraying session, so i am gonna get some goggles next. you might laugh, but its not worth dying for.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Personally, i think you're really jumping in the deep end for your first go at painting. I'd certainly be going to a local paint shop and getting some mis-tints (paint they have matched wrong, you get it cheaper) and having a stab on some old panels.

Painting a whole car in black for your first time, is going to end in disaster IMO.

Honestly, if you're going to have to rub and buff 2 pack that much to get it looking half decent, you might aswell just paint it in acrylic.

[Faynt11]

ari666, if you're painting a lot. buy an airfed respirator. it'll run you around $700. but it's well worth it. just make sure you keep the protective covers stocked up. once you use one you'll wonder how you ever painted without one.

[nasty1]

watch out for the huge fines if you get dobed in to

[ari666]

it'll run you around $700.

YIKES im... yeah.... i dont know man.

[GothicKidd]

Thought of doing
DIY Painting your car with rollers
??

[ari666]

has anyone mentioned to the dude that marine paint is like: 7 times the price of 2k?

[Bz Kn33z]

Yeah i have thought about Rollers but want to go 2k insted.

I have Panels that i am going to practice on and i will post up some pics when i begin it and then people can tell me where i am going wrong.

I have a Fan in the shed but it pushes air outside in not the other way around there is a window in there to so i will put a fan in that and leave the big shed door open.

I personally dont have the money to get it resprayed, but i want to learn to spray cars i have a big air comp for starters what do people recommend for psi 40psi>? 35? same goes for primer? and do i change the nozzles over after spraying primer or just wash it good?

[Faynt11]

you should be spraying at 2bar (28psi) at the gun. also use different guns for primer and paint. 2.5mm set up for primer and 1.3mm (HVLP) or 1.4 - 1.5mm (conventional) for paint. as for the fan you want the air pushed outside. I'm a spray painter by trade so if you need to know anything ask away!

[ari666]

but i want to learn to spray cars

yeah man. i know how you feel. i am actually having loads of fun messing round with paint/panel. its no something i do for a living, so its still fun

i dont suppose you would have a go at reversing the polarity of the fan? by doing that its a crude way of getting it to push the air out, rather than suck it in.

looking forward to pics.

[Bz Kn33z]

I would like to get into it, i like my old cars so would be good to spray em, and i have a mates Celica to spray aswell might just use that for panels haha.

The fan in the Shed is more like a Wall mounted air con so it might be abit hard to mess around with it haha, i will take the glass out the window in the shed and grab a fan and stick it in the window facing out.

So no one thinks i should go with the ebay link? is there any imparticular brands i should stear away from?

Thanx for all the info as well guys much appreciated

[ari666]

i just use protocoat/protglaze/wattyl/spartan/motospray they are all cheap and do the job. the ebay link is ok, but its good to actually walk into a shop and chat to the dude (or dude-ette) behind the counter. half your invaluable info will come from that guy.

[lemusa]

For first spray I would go with acrylic, purely cos its less messing around. I did mine in acrylic and that was more than enough effort/learning

[DAKSTER]

If its the first time you've sprayed a car, then acrylic is the go. No matter how careful you are, there are going to be mistakes. Acrylic is cheap and easy to spray.
Leave the fancy paint jobs for future projects, when you have the skills to support the ambition. If you want to make it even easier to get a great job, buy a 10L paint pot too... $189 this week at SCA with lines and gun. This means you can spray upside down, removes the possibility of drips and suchlike while you do horizontal surfaces, and you will find they are much easier to set up properly and spray with.

I would just spray on your basic black acrylic top coat if I were you, but acrylic clear over base can look pretty good if you want a little more brag value, and a monkey could do it with practice. When the clear starts to mess up in a few years.. just redo it, or use better paint at that time if your skills have improved.

Well applied basic paint will look heaps better than badly applied fancier paint. If you haven't sprayed before, you don't have the skills for 2pak.

[ari666]

If its the first time you've sprayed a car, then acrylic is the go.

Acrylic is easy to spray.

why do people keep saying that?!?!? 2K is FAAAAAAAAAR easier to get flat than arcylic. acrylic is horrible paint.

[Richard Moss]

If its the first time you've sprayed a car, then acrylic is the go. No matter how careful you are, there are going to be mistakes. Acrylic is cheap and easy to spray.

I'd second that - I've sprayed a number of cars using cellulose and the techniques are similar to acrylic. The good news is that you can get by without having to use an air fed respirator as long as you have a good quality particle filter mask and a pair of goggles. Acrylic/cellulose are easier to flat and polish to remove runs, dust, bugs etc.

On the other hand, 2 pack emits highly toxic cyanide and is a lot harder to sand and polish.

[lemusa]

I went with acrylic for all the reasons of it being easier, having never used a spray gun before hand I didnt wanna start something I couldnt finish. Gettin the hang of the spray gun is just practice but even then it wasnt too bad, its all the prep work thats the time, and that is made far easier using acrylic. 2pac is harder therefore more work to fix mistakes etc

[DAKSTER]

not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but i have painted a lot of cars, using just about every type of paint.

acrylic is easy to set up for, isn't particularly fussy about how you treat it or how much thinners it needs, can be sprayed thick enough to compensate for a lot of beginners 'preparation' and is safe to use.

ya could practice with harlequin or something too i guess and eventually get it right but if i was just learning i would rather make my mistakes with the cheap paint.

my ride is being done with spartan untinted white acrylic.. $75 for 4 litres, because its completely untinted.. a very bright white. A litre of the VE green I am going to do highlights on it with will cost me double that. Then 4 litres of clear for $75 and a handful of pearl for $50 and I will have a very cheap, very nice looking paintjob. The clear will start to lose its lustre in a few years, sure. But the way I keep hitting freaking animals with the fibreglass, its going to have been resprayed a dozen times anyway by then

Unless you think you are going to keep the car a very long time, undamaged, and never want to change its looks after you paint it, or you want to enter it in the best paint category at the local car show, I'd stick with good old cheap, reliable and good looking acrylic. Leave the fancy paint for the next project. I have the skills to use the other paints, but I am choosing acrylic because I know it will still look awesome but I will save a crapload of cash doing it that way, and I wont be needing this paintjob to last 30 years.

Getting the paint to spray flat is the least of your worries as a beginner. Get the volume, pressure and spray pattern right, practice on a few panels to make sure you have your arm and trigger finger co-ordinated properly, and acrylic is pretty forgiving. Just don't try to do it all in one coat and you will be fine.

Remember the 10L paint pot though.. this is sooooo worth having. It will halve the time it takes you to paint the car, and its even easier to get the paint spraying well.