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2014 VF V8 engine noise - Zupps say its ok...???

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - ?)' started by Tro, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. Tro

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    Hi there,
    Had this car about 3-4 months now, developed a noise during start up (wasn't bad initially) that would go for about 30 seconds
    Went in for a check in December, response was "have to get a Holden rep out"
    This was rescheduled and the car went in on Tuesday this week
    By this time the noise was worse, now when I drive past anything that may echo (like a building) or put my foot down a bit, I hear a tweety sound on acceleration (at any time, hot or cold)
    They wanted it to Friday, however Wednesday around mid day I got a call.. its ready to go

    I picked it up and they have done nothing!!!!!!!
    The paperwork says all within normal range, no faults...
    This is NOT normal for a car that has only done only 22k

    Now its only a few months away from warranty running out and i am peeved!!
    This noise is obviously internal, sounds like piston slap ..

    What are my options .. has anyone had this problem or any problem that they wouldn't fix???

    Ready to send off any email and blast them, this noise would also make the car impossible to sell.. degrading the value massively (Kinda a moot point, but I feel ripped off!)

    Fuming... what can I do!!!

    I feel I have been backed into a corner to purchase a further 3 years warranty

    Tro
     
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    Where in Bris are you located? I am northside next week and glad to share experience diagnosing noise from same engine.
     
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    I would hope that because this issue has been documented before the passing of the warranty if you had any major issue resulting in this noise it would still be covered? But it could just be Holden fobbing you off till the warranty has expired.....Hope not!
     
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    Good onya Monstar! Thumbs up.
     
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    I'm on the south side, although I travel a fair bit for work (in a work car)
    I do have work in Redclife on Wednesday.
    Wont hear the cold start though... which is my main concern

    What experience do you have?

    Tro
     
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    Redcliffe Wed is good.

    Have same engine, same issue, various approaches to repair that over 18 months, finally complete tear down, overhaul and rebuild. There are a few red herrings so might be able to narrow it down for you.
     
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    PM sent

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    There are a couple of bulletins out relating to noise on L77's in VF1. One relates to a chirpy type resonance noise and the other is that a small amount of piston slap is within engineering specs (tolerances of piston to bore are designed to be correct when warm/at operating temperature).

    You probably need the second opinion, but LS motors are noisy. They've been that way for the ~18 years they've been in Commodores and it isn't going to change. If it's not clattering or badly chirping from the valvetrain and it's not loudly knocking from the bottom end it's fine.

    Happy to have a look if you're ever inland a bit from Bris.
     
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    Mine is auto, stadard internals, but exhaust, cai, tune, etc. I drive it with spirit. Have often hit the limiter, in first particularly. 62,000k's on odo. No abnormal noises whatsoever. Being all alloy they do transmit normal internal noises more tham a cast iron block.
    I haven't heard the chirpy noise, or any knocks.
    Maybe post a vid or audio file?
    Could it be the oil you're using? I've always used Penrite Enviro.
     
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    Please tell me it was Zupps Aspley giving you shit service
     
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    I am interested in whats considered OK, the chirping is loudish

    I do work in Toowoomba and Warwick
    Where are you located?

    Tro
     
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    I guess I need a second opinion

    My VS 5ltr had some work done and rev'ed hard, but was always smooth and no such noises

    Tro
     
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    I have noise also when cold, but quietens down later on.
    I checked the oil this afternoon and its down to the low point so ill top it up and if it continues ill be visiting the dealer before my warranty finishes
     
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    Now they are trying to charge me for the map upgrade, when I have been hold its free from customer service and also insurance service dept

    Anyone had to pay for the upgrade while under warranty?????

    Might be finding a new service department!!!!

    Tro
     
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    I would like to think it is but on Holden's website it's advertised as $126 with a service or $179 without. It should be free lifetime map updates.

    https://m.holden.com.au/owning/servicing
     
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    Agree, however under warranty they have advised me it is free

    I have this in an email, if they change their mind... where do I stand
    I will never pay for an upgrade, I will install an aftermarket which will be 1000% better

    Tro
     
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    My upgrade has been sorted and I should get a call over the next few days to confirm!

    Holden customer care are great, they are also looking into the noise to provide some feedback etc

    Feeling a little more at ease!

    Tro
     
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    Hey mate, sorry about the delay on reply, have been away from internet for a bit. Have sent you a PM if you wish to take up the offer still.

    Cheers :)
     
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    Well the churping I was hearing kept getting louder, ended up being the harmonic balancer
    Took a 30 second drive with Zupps mechanic, drove past a few stationary cars and it was louder than I have my radio (noise bouncing off the cars)

    Waiting for a call back to replace the harmonic balancer and complete the map upgrade (once parts arrive i guess)


    I also had a catch up with Monstar which put my mind at ease!
    Has a wealth of knowledge and a really nice bloke! Thanks muchly!!!

    Tro
     
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    Had a balancer replaced on a S1 VE SS I had once, 6 mths later rear main seal had to be replaced, was told by my service mob at the instructions provided by Holden for replacement of a balancer was to inspect and replace rear main seal if their is a leak, it had been in 2 times prior for oil leaks from back of sump before the balancer was changed
     
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