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Discussion in 'VZ Holden Commodore (2004 - 2006)' started by Rod VZ Storm, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. Rod VZ Storm

    Rod VZ Storm New Member

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    Hi Guys
    Ive just fitted a new battery to my V6 ute and thought id post up what I found to help others. (sorry for the long post, I'll explain my process) I was running the original battery for 2 1/2 years and 50K's with no problems but i normally replace my batteries every 2-3 years to err on the safe side so not to get stranded somewhere. I have driving lights, run two way radios and also tow a trailer with additional clearance lighting etc ..... so i wanted the biggest battery I could fit in. I didnt want to buy a nasty non-chain brand battery.

    I did a moderate amount of looking around at various retail automotive stores and Kmart etc. Everyone had the standard size batterys in stock (around 430CCA and 85mins RC) or a slightly bigger capacity. Most of the battery manufacturers web sites gave a couple of choices for the VZ, but nothing much bigger than standard. The VZ needs a battery with botton side ledges on the long sides so the clamp can hold it down. A number of the marine and 4x4 batteries do not have the ledges on them. They have smooth sides and they only suit clamping down with a bar across the top.

    My local inderpendant mechanic sells Century Batterys and he rung his rep for me. They tracked down a couple of options.
    I went with a :
    Century NS70L
    520 CCA & 110mins RC
    Cost me $150. Im not saying this is cheap. Im happy to give my local guy my business and loyalty.

    This is a conventional screw cap lead acid battery. Its about 255mm long and just fits in the battery tray with 5mm length to spare. Width is the same as the OEM battery. Its about 20mm higher than the OEM battery, but the bonnet still shuts safely. It has a 2 year warranty


    EDIT: There was some concern since I originally posted this that the VZ needs a calcium alloy style battey in it. My mechanic has since spoken to the Century technical people who claimed this battery is a calcium style and is fine to use in my vehicle. Im only stating what I was told. There is no stickers saying its the calcium type.

    Note: Im not associated with Century in anyway. I think a few other brands have the NS70L size as well, according to google

    Im not saying this is the biggest capacity battery available for the VZ, as ive seen AGM Absorbed Glass Mat style batteries with more CCA in a similar physical size but pricing is upwards of $200.

    I assume that V8's and sedans would have the same battery and engine bay arrangement as my V6 ute. I hope that this info can help some other members that run extra accessories or have sound systems installed in their car.

    cheers
    Rod
     
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    I was looking for a battery for my parents car which is a "VT Berlina" which is using a Exide P460C dual fit.
    I sent a e-mail to Exide and got a reply from Denis Dwyer Marketing Director Australia Pacific For Exide Technoligies.
    He said the correct battery for the VT on is the P460G which is made from Calcium/Antimonial AG9 as specified by Holden.The reason is from the VT on the charging rate is 14.4v-14.6 whereas the older technology of the P460c/D only charge at 13.8v-14.2v which is enough to cause the previous type or lower spec. batteries to start to fail at an earlier age.
     
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    Astranomical Ecotec just kicked in yo

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    In stock form, yes, V6 VZ sedans, wagons and ute are all exactly the same under the bonnet.
     
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    impulsesv6 Alloytec Garage

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    i am, lol. product info is available on the century website.
    Century Automotive | Home Page
     
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    Thats a VERY INTERESTING COMMENT you make Ronald. Thankyou for raising it. I think I might investigate (google) futher over the weekend. I have always wondered why they use the different materials.

    Id be dissapointed if I have to take my new battery out and go back down to the standard size (but in Calcium/Antimonial AG9)

    Rod
     
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    benzor yawn :(

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    Autobarn has batteries up to 600 cca.
     
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    VT Berlina 07 15.37 @ 147 KPH

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    well thats all good but a good battery for running lights/radios etc has to have some reserve ie RC so the one above is a 520cca-cold cranking amps and 110 rc-reserve capacity/ 110 amp hours. :thumbsup:
     
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    If most of the electrical equipment that you are running operates mainly when the engine is operating, then you shouldn't have too much trouble replacing used cuurent from your existing battery. If you want to use your accessories a lot while the engine is not running, consider installing a 2nd battery with a suitable isolator. That way both batteries will be maintained by the alternator. You can wire high-draw items onto the 2nd battery thus preserving your starting battery. Some Isolators even have the facility to start your engine if the primary battery is flat - by using the 2nd battery. This type of setup is common on many 4wd's that do lots of trips with fridges etc etc. In the long run it might work out cheaper than trying to source a larger and possibly unsuitable battery for your starter.
     
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    VT Berlina 07 15.37 @ 147 KPH

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    thats true but have you looked in a VZ enginebay?
     
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    OK, i did some research on the 'net and found that these batteries with "calcium" do handle a higher charge voltage better we they gas less and have less water loss = longer life basically. They also self discharge slower meaning less flat batteries on imported cars coming off ships they claim. The Century technical people claimed that the battery in my original post does use a calcium alloy and is fine to use in my car. My original post has been edited to reflect their comments.

    Ive been playing around with 4x4s and boats with dedicated house batteries and VSR style isolating relays for a while so I know how they work. I didnt want to get that elaborate in the car ! I dont do super long periods running accessories with the engine off. But if im stopped for 30mins - 2hrs with a couple of radios running on receive, parking lights (with trailer attached), interior light and factory stereo there is a moderate amount of current drain.
    Going the slightly larger battery gives me better piece of mind when going to re-start.

    Thanks for all the other comments. I didnt want to go totally overboard with the size or price. I only wanted to spend a few extra dollars to get something bigger. I think I said i wanted the BIGGEST in my first post.... ok maybe that was an exageration!

    SuperCharge batteries have a 600CCA listed for the VZ on their web site, but Ive never been a fan of their brand. But to be honest I must admist ive ever used one. Ive had good faithfull service from Besco, Century and Exide in my last few cars and boats so have been sticking with them. Im not sure who actually makes Besco. I know Champion batteries are Exide.

    Kmart has the calcium style Exides for the VZ around $119 retail (even better if they have 15-25% off Auto. These are a slightly higher capacity than the standard battery.

    By the way, 110RC is reserve capacity in minutes. Its how many minutes you can draw about 20-25 amps for without the battery dropping below a certain voltage. There is a standard for it and I think its mentioned in the FAQ on the Exide website)

    Amp hours is a different figure tested in a different way.

    cheers ... and thanks to everyone who replied.
    Rod
     
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    if you want to use less power in your interior and trailer lights, and maybe parking lights depending on bulb style- change them to LED's
     
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    Yeah, but he said he had a VZ Storm Ute - didn't he. Stacks of room in the cargo area.
     
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    colk VZ 3.6

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    I have the SuperCharge 600CCA in my VZ, it was in the car when I bought it. From the service records it was installed earlier this year. I don’t know if it is any good but I am running a reasonably demanding sound system and never experienced any problems?
    Hope this helps.....

    While were on the subject of batteries it looks like the old battery had leaked quite badly because there is battery acid residue around the battery housing and even a little had leaked down near the sway bar, does anyone know a good way of removing this cos it’s a bit of concern and may cause corrosion??
    I have tried hi pressure cleaner at the car wash but it’s still visible? Sorry for hijacking mate.
     
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    dishwashing liquid and a scrubbing brush, but the dishwashing liquid will need to be alkaline,
     
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    Lumps of cheese welcome to the machine

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    I use Delkor batteries and wouldn't use anything else.
    In my ute i run a deep cycle along with my cranking battery an have never had any dramas with power.
    Ute has a fridge,driving lights, UHF and phone and cd player with amp etc.
    As said before, plenty of room in the ute tub, mine is a dual cab and i have tools and stuff for work in there and still have plenty of room left for a battery if needed.
     
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    colk VZ 3.6

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    Thanks mate, ill give it a go
     
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    As the battery is Acid then a good alkalie is required. Suggest good old carb soda (bicarbonic soda or Baking soda) in water to wash down the battery and area. This will froth and bubble and neutalised the acid. Flush with clean water and your done.

    by the way, a pinch of carb soda in a little milk or water fixeds heart burn/ upset stomach very quickly!

    Deltak
     
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    haha thanks ill remeber that one next time i get an upset stomach
    Ill give the bicarb ago around the battery today and let ya know, cheers mate.
     
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    Spread the good word my friend :thumbsup:.........and DELKOR are a MAINTENANCE FREE CALCIUM battery and have a 3 YEAR WARRANTY :D

    yes i work for Delkor.......:whistling
     

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