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Commodore nameplate to remain in Holden lineup

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Never mentioned ford, lots of companies are moving toward smarter technology and away from the 'let's make it bigger' mentality.

Ford did just what you said, ecoboost 4 cyl, turbo 6 and still their sales figures are terrible - why would GM copy this failing model.

They need to think of something different, figure out what people are actually buying and shift that way.

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holden comtiva?
 

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That's getting into the whole displacement Vs technology debate. Sales results of the last few years definitely shows which one won (in Australasia at least).

At the end of the day, the Commodore is a locally built RWD car. Anything else isn't a Commodore. GM is banking on the fact the Commodore name has led sales in the large market segment and are banking on that fact to try and maintain sales in a post Aussie production era.

At least Ford will drop the Falcon name with the end of local production.
 

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Ford did just what you said, ecoboost 4 cyl, turbo 6 and still their sales figures are terrible - why would GM copy this failing model.

They need to think of something different, figure out what people are actually buying and shift that way.

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You picked one company with zero interest now that they are going. They never advertised or marketed the ecoboost setup.

Clearly since the commodore is going that hasn't worked either. So you want somethig other than 4 or 6 cylinder turbos or V8's. 7 cylinder setups maybe.
 

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Meh I would like to see them move towards smarter technology for Australia. Call me biased, etc but drop the RWD 12lt V8 dinosaur technology and move to an AWD setup with an E85 compatible 6cyl turbo as the performance option.

The effective displacement and weight is really no issue, particularly with deactivation and VVT. 6.0 weighs less than 20kg more than a Nissan 2.0, is compact (thanks to the venerable dinosaur valvetrain) and has fantastic low centre of gravity and power density (thanks to the venerable dinosaur valvetrain).
What's required on the GenV is greater geometric compression around 14:1 and combustion phasing for ethanol on an Atkinson cycle, to suit stop start and support an ancillary regenerative / kinetic return system. Permanent or 'intelligent diff' AWD is a cop-out for crap engineering, an anachronism for pathetic Asian Crossovers (terror cans). Perhaps hub motors up front would do the trick for me. That is all.
 

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How will 14:1 go with 91 octane fuel in 45 degree heat?

If they can make a V8 with the power, technology and fuel economy people want, go for it!
 

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You picked one company with zero interest now that they are going. They never advertised or marketed the ecoboost setup.

Clearly since the commodore is going that hasn't worked either. So you want somethig other than 4 or 6 cylinder turbos or V8's. 7 cylinder setups maybe.

what the?

The large car segment has shrunk - Ford are just doing worse than most in the segment.

GM still have a top seller with Commodore so they would be foolish to copy something from Ford that has flat out not worked.

New Car Sales Figures 2014 Total

GM are number 2 overall

2014 Australian New Car Sales Figures in Total

1 Toyota 203,501
2 Holden 106,092
3 Mazda 100,704
4 Hyundai 100,011
5 Ford 79,703
6 Mitsubishi 68,637
7 Nissan 66,025
8 Volkswagen 54,801
9 Subaru 40,502
10 Honda 32,998

and in the large car segment Commodore smashed the competition - and based of these figures Commodore is still almost a third of their sales in AU.
Not only that it still outsold Camry by a handy margin.

Medium Car Segment Winners:

Toyota Camry (22,044 – 44.5%)
Mazda 6 (5,883 – 11.9%)
Volkswagen Jetta (3,079 – 6.2%)

Large Car Segment Winners:

Holden Commodore (30,203 – 70.9%)
Ford Falcon (6,349- 14.9%)
Toyota Aurion (5,163- 12.1%)

I suggest we base these discussions of actual figures not seat of the pants/gut feel figures.
 

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How will 14:1 go with 91 octane fuel in 45 degree heat?

If they can make a V8 with the power, technology and fuel economy people want, go for it!

Haha, not too well, but with VVT you can easily bring that down to 8.5:1 while raising thermodynamic efficiency through the roof. Especially with ethanol.

Yes like Steve Austin, we have the technology, we can rebuild it! That's what I'm doing right now actually
 

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Haha, not too well, but with VVT you can easily bring that down to 8.5:1 while raising thermodynamic efficiency through the roof. Especially with ethanol.

Yes like Steve Austin, we have the technology, we can rebuild it! That's what I'm doing right now actually
If that's the case cool. I wouldn't bank on E85 though, it's taking it's time rolling out to everywhere in Australia.
 

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what the?

The large car segment has shrunk - Ford are just doing worse than most in the segment.

GM still have a top seller with Commodore so they would be foolish to copy something from Ford that has flat out not worked.

New Car Sales Figures 2014 Total

GM are number 2 overall

2014 Australian New Car Sales Figures in Total

1 Toyota 203,501
2 Holden 106,092
3 Mazda 100,704
4 Hyundai 100,011
5 Ford 79,703
6 Mitsubishi 68,637
7 Nissan 66,025
8 Volkswagen 54,801
9 Subaru 40,502
10 Honda 32,998

and in the large car segment Commodore smashed the competition - and based of these figures Commodore is still almost a third of their sales in AU.
Not only that it still outsold Camry by a handy margin.

Medium Car Segment Winners:

Toyota Camry (22,044 – 44.5%)
Mazda 6 (5,883 – 11.9%)
Volkswagen Jetta (3,079 – 6.2%)

Large Car Segment Winners:

Holden Commodore (30,203 – 70.9%)
Ford Falcon (6,349- 14.9%)
Toyota Aurion (5,163- 12.1%)

I suggest we base these discussions of actual figures not seat of the pants/gut feel figures.
Ok then we change nothing and stick with the current setup, end of thread :thumbsup:
 
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