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Is anyone considering the NG commodore after their VF?

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - ?)' started by tml678, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. VS 5.0

    VS 5.0 Well-Known Member

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    Given my impression of how the gurus from Detroit operate....no factoring at all would be my guess.

    Having said that, maybe they will be reliant on the Aus design team to carry the load. Likely do a better job anyway.
     
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    You reckon that once Peugeot buys Opel, they'll let General Motors use re-badged Peugeot cars anywhere in the world? :D
     
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    Not unless they have a NG ute...
     
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    SnowDoggyDogg 2ltr? = Only milk & juice

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    I hope this saves the Commodore from the embarrassment that was going to be the NG.
    Not sure what the phuk Holden dealers are meant to be selling to customers now... Daewoo shite I guess.
     
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    Next year's rebadging of the Insignia as a Commodore would be a done deal so will still happen ... and if everything to follow is Daewoo like the nasty Malibu then the current or next-year Opel Holdens will be the last of the decent Holdens. Imagine a future full of Captiva & Cruze ...
     
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    Yes I'm confident the NG will still happen, but it's very early days yet. I believe it's been stated by PSA that existing contracts until 2020 will be honoured, so it would seem potentially the NG may only have a life of 2 or 3 years, then Holden pickup something Asian based. For Astra, I guess look at the upcoming sedan as an indicator. I'm pretty confident the NG will be quite a good car in its own right, as the Astra looks to be a pretty good thing right now, but if it's condemned to be only sold for 2 or 3 years, I think the numbers that are sold will be less than current predictions. Holden have got some work to do in the marketing department by the time the NG is released. I guess it's likely Opel products will then make another appearance here, but not under the Holden brand.
     
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    Orphaned vehicles don't generally do well due to the specter of uncertainty. I guess the NG will get Chevy SS treatment.
    Anecdotally it sounds like the new Astra has been underwhelming for sales to date.
     
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    after NG, GM might try to flog off rebadged Malibu's as Commodores next? Gawd help us if that ever happened.
     
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    I wish Holden all the best, but sadly I think their future is grim.
    Years of mismanagement and poor decision making by the yanks has slowly but surely driven Holden into the ground. What was once a thriving manufacturer with a bright future has degenerated into a soulless importer of rebadged crap. Now with Peugeot taking over, the situation has become even more of a dog's breakfast.
    My passion for Holden will die once the last car rolls out of Elizabeth. From that point on I will become a classic enthusiast and will have no interest in the new car market whatsoever.
     
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    I'm excited to see what new cars can bring performance wise with electric and hybrid technology.
    Despite relatively modest power gains over the last 20 years in ICE the pairing of monsterous torque from electrics is going to blow away what we've seen.
    A recent dyno of the Tesla P100 showed it pumping out 1400nm of torque.... in a stock, ADR compliant street car!
    It would seem that the brand of Holden will probably not be around to be part of this story in automotive history, just as Australia not being a manufacturer of such technology.
     
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    think back 17 years ago (yes 17 years) with the ECOmmodore and what Holden and the CSIRO developed.

    who killed it?
     
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    Capitalism?
     
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    Big oil....
     
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    If the things which are taking all the Falcodore sales weren't thirsty gerlytrux, we could agree ... but they ain't, so we can't. :)

    It's actually diversity in the market. So many choices. in 1972 a Corolla was sooooooo much less comfortable than a Falcon or a Kingswood, driving the Corolla was almost a trial by comparison; these days the reasons not to choose the Corolla are massively reduced, plus the Corolla has much the same space now as the Kingswood did then (while easily outperforming a stock V8 '72 Kingswood and using 1/4 the fuel while being safer & quieter & more comfy).
    So add the fact that a Golf, Mazda3, Corolla, Focus etc are better cars than Falcodores in the heyday of Aussie cars to the fact that all the numpties have been convinced they need to bully every other road user with gerlytrux, then add the number of models & manufacturers in the market, then add not having 45% import duties, then add the competition created by all those manufacturers meaning that new car prices have been dropping c/f CPI ... and the market's spread thin, no one particular model dominates.

    Commodore is still, what, number 4? Despite being "unpopular" these days? That's not unpopular! It's just that #4 these days is 20k units/year, when #4 used to be 80k units/year ...
     
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    When you think of how much that diversity had affected local car sales, consider the fact that between July 71 and May 74, (34 months), just under half a million HQ's were produced. That's around 165,000 per year. In addition the LC and LJ Toranas were Rolling off the same production lines.

    There were probably only about a quarter of the car brands available then that there are now.
     
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    All valid points Forg, but I'm not sure how they relate to Dity Harry's question. None of those issues existed 17 years ago.
     
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    Ah, my bad; I thought he meant who killed Holden, not the ECOmmodore!

    The ECOmmodore was only a show-car. It had lead-acid batteries, so would've needed a fair whack more development. I think that Volt sales show they wouldn't have achieved anything much by developing & selling an ECOmmodore.
     
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    gerlytrux = Mummy Taxis?

    Recently had the displeasure of driving a Rav 4 and an X-Trail

    Both worthwhile holders of the badge of honor: POS!

    Glad to have my butt back in the Caprice
     

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