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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by ypod, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. ypod

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    Wanting to change the bulbs in my car.
    Was going to go the HID way but seeing as the projectors alone are $700 a pair thinking i'll just go the bulbs instead.

    Looking at the Philips Crystal Visions.

    Anyone got any other recommendations?

    I dont really want to compromise on safety so whilst looking good is important so is being able to see!

    Also, at Autobarn, these retail for 134 a pair whereas they are only 50-60 on ebay from international sellers. Although they say genuine i'm still a little iffy as to whether they are fakes or not..
     
  2. wraith

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    HID's are illegal, save your self the potential hassle. Go Phillips Plus +80's. One of the best globes on the market.
     
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    HID's are illegal? Sorry if Im just naive but I had them on a Honda Accord Euro from the dealer as an option.. I'm pretty sure it was in the catalogue too. And nope they weren't xenons cos this was the debate i was having with my friend and we checked..

    Also, I want a whiter light rather than the yellow so I agree thats a good bulb but yeh...
     
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    Yeah if they came from factory then yep all good. If not you will need to have a self levelling system as well as either wipers or jets to clean lights.
     
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    I've fitted Crystal Vision globes in mine (at $90 a pair at autobarn? where are you looking???), and they're great. I do a lot of highway driving, country back roads and night driving, so teh extra vision is great, as well as the asthetic of it.
    One drawback is that the legal limit for luminescence of the globes is 4200K (Normal globes are aroudn 3000K). Crystal vision are actually 4300K, but you really cant pick them as being over, so you shoudl be right. The DIamond vision are 5000K. If memory serves, the Philips +80 are 4200K? (but not as white in their light). I used to run Narva Blue, but were no where near as good...
     
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    Whiter is better then blue. The higher the K the bluer it is and the less distance it goes. I get asked all the time if I have HID's because there so white and bright.
     
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    I asked at both Autobarn Doncaster and Elizabeth St in Melbourne. $134.50 for a pair of H7's and H11s each.

    $55 on eBay. Says it's genuine, comes from Singapore or HK but dunno if I should try get them locally and pay more just for peace of mind.
     
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    Ill agree with wraith on his recommendation +80's, excellent bulbs,
     
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    do they have a yellow look?
     
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    Nope real white. Looks so good compared to the yellow or blue lights every one seems to have.
     
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    Just so I'm on the same page, these are the Philips X-treamPower +80%?
     
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    Yes that's the one.
     
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    I just installed the Phillips 4300's on my car tonight. My first impresion is that it looks slightly "whiter" from the front and the brightness wihilst drivng is slightly better.

    Worth it? Not really, but they were only $80 so no big deal!
     
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    Hope you realise that the Phillips Crystal Vision do not comply with Australian Design Rules and are therefore illegal touse ona road-going vehicle.
    Motor vehicles have been required to comply with Australian Design Rules (ADR's) for lighting since October 1991. ADR 13 mandates the number and position of lamp assemblies, ADR 46 prescribes the photometric requirements of the lamp itself and ADR 51 is the standard for filament bulbs.

    ADR 51 accepts ECE regulation 37 as an alternative standard for filament bulbs and prescribes the dimensional and photometric requirements for filament bulbs (including headlamps). This ensures inter-changeability and correct functioning when installed in a complying lamp unit.

    All complying bulbs sold in Australia would be marked with the "E" mark and possibly the words "Suitable for European Use". The packaging may also indicate compliance with ADR 51 or ECE 37.

    When a replacement complying bulb of the correct type (for example H4 45/60 Watts) for a complying headlamp is fitted to that assembly, the light emitted will be within the spectral requirements for white light. This will not be in breach of Section 63 to Schedule 1 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management- Vehicle Safety and Standards) Regulation 1999.
    Although these lamps are a standard fitment to many newer vehicles, a "blue" complying lamp can be fitted to a lamp assembly on a vehicle that was not originally fitted with these bulbs.

    It is important to note that ADR 51 limits the power of various bulb types, and bulbs of a similar style but higher power rating will not comply and should not be used. For example, the common H4 bulb that has a complying rating of 45/60 watts, is available in much higher rating of 45/100 watts. The higher powered bulbs produce more glare and the resulting light pattern would not comply with the ADR.

    Although regulations do not require drivers of pre-1991 vehicles to fit complying bulbs, consumers should be careful when fitting non-complying "blue" light bulbs to pre-ADR vehicles, as the resulting light spectrum may fall outside the standard for white light (that is, the blue frequencies may predominate).

    If a Licenced Examiner suspects that the light output from a headlight appears blue, the examiner should take appropriate action based on the following summary tables:

    For vehicles manufactured on or after 1 October 1991
    • Bulb must be marked.
    • Bulb must be the correct wattage.

    For vehicles manufactured prior to 1 October 1991
    • Bulb does not have to be marked.
    • Bulb may be alternative higher wattage.
    • Bulb must not show obvious blue light (when viewed directly ahead).

    Licenced Examiners Action:
    If, during the course of an inspection, Licenced Examiners have cause to inspect vehicles modified by changing the original lighting componentry assemblies, they are to ensure that individual vehicles comply with the previously mentioned details. Modifications of this type
    which do not comply with the above requirements are to be rejected immediately.

    Any (ANY) modification(s), unless approved to ADR standards, that change/alter/modify any aspect of your vehicle from the ADR standards/requirements that existed at the time of manufacture of your vehicle are ILLEGAL.
     
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    mate this is the second time you have posted that in two different topics. If someone wants to get 4300's they will get away with it...100k. Yes it is technically illegal BUT if you read the ENTIRE ADR (which i did for a School exam) it is "technically" illegal to change anything on a vehicle, exhaust = illegal, intake = illegal, springs = illegal etc.
    I personally don't like the look of bluey/white lights IMO they look rice. I bought the phillips plus 80s in H1 and H4 and I am amazed, before this I had Narva plus 50s and they are crap.
    4300k is not going to draw much attention, if you were looking at 5000k then yes. the HIDs are usually around 6000k which is down right blue however they are alot brighter so you can get away with it, however retrofitting HIDs is also illegal and you can get defected for them.
     
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    OK So i went to autobarn and the x-tremes do look quite yellow still IMO.
    Anyone with x-tremes or crystals care to post photos up to compare how they look on the car from the front?

    I really do like how the +80's are gonna give a lot more light factor but wouldnt hurt to see others' already done.
     
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    i put the Crystal visions in my VT and one blew after about 4 months.
    Replace with a new pair, again one blew (opposite side) after about 6 months.
    When I returned them to autobarn the guy said he was surprised they lasted that long!
    Never again.
     
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    I found my VT was very hard on headlights, but the VE and VZ's have never blown a globe, so I will probably give some of these a try soon.
     
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    I bought Crystal Visions 4300k for my VE as an upgrade and they were crap. THey lasted 1 day and I went back to standard globes.

    I then replaced them with Narva Blue Power which claimed to have 80% more light and that they were 20% whiter. Not a bad bulb, much better than the Crystal visions..
     

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