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Discussion in 'News/Updates' started by Sabbath', Oct 26, 2016.

  1. commodore665

    commodore665 expat Saffa

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    My sister in law has a Volvo XC90 , closest it's come to going off road is when my brother uses it to take rubbish to the tip, and my brother in law , has taken delivery of a , ahem ,BMW X5 4.5 V8 , I know we are South African , but you can't get anymore stereotypical than that :rolleyes:, it's odd how now the Colorado is now Holden's best selling car and the Trail Blazer apparently is selling well too
     
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    LOL,

    My Saffa supervisor at work used to have an X5 as well (the stupid bastard just couldn't afford to run it).....

    Yep, Colorado is now running 3rd in class, closely behind the Hilux but the Ranger is outselling em both big time. I actually kinda like the Ranger, it's a good looking vehicle. If I get a truck one day though I'd much prefer an American model, quiet like the Dodge Ram unfortunately they are treated like a luxury vehicle here (and charge for it like one) instead of the workhorse it really is. The Ford F150 is a nice rig too.
     
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    But what if that same car can only be sold for $20k then you are making a loss, look at Hyundai, they pretty much only sell cars when they do the $20k drive away deals, how can a local manufacturer compete with that when it cost them more to build, they would have to try to compete in the "luxury" end of the market and there people would prefer BMW's and Merc's instead.
     
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    Convas, the reason they can sell the I30 so cheaply is the MASSIVE economies of scale in the Korean factory. The main plant in Ulsan would fit five GM Elizabeth plants and still have room left over. Worker's pay in South Korea is on a par with Aussie workers...that's not the issue. Fact is that they have such an efficient production line with vast output that can build cars to any country's spec.

    We missed the boat by allowing ourselves to become manufacturing offshoots of American and Japanese companies rather than encouraging Australian entrepreneurs to make an Australian car. I think we would have been very good at it and could have carved our own niche out in the world-wide market. Now, with globalisation, that's a long lost dream. It's interesting to note the pressure Trump has put on Ford, GM and Toyota to keep their factories in America and how they seem to be complying with his wishes. It may signal a new era of protectionism. All very strange days ahead.
     
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    Quite frankly all these people buying the massive pickups and SUVs are buying into a fashion which will cost them dearly in the future. Tyres for these things cost a mint, as does diesel servicing (especially if you are only doing daily short runs) and most of them handle like blancmange on a skateboard.

    When I was looking at buying a new car my brother was jumping up and down wanting me to buy an SUV which, in his words, would be "great for the dog...heaps of room" blah, blah, blah. Well the SUV's height means doggy can't easily jump into the back, most SUVs have bugger-all room in the tail unless you fold down seats and they don't have the speed or handling finesse of my lovely VF Commodore sportwagon. Horses for courses BUT why people have moved away from wagons and big sedans (if they have a large family) is beyond me. Fashion, I suppose...but one that they'll pay for once the maintenance cycle begins. Now if they are bushies or they go four wheel driving and camping...or do a lot of load lugging, well and good. Otherwise a Holden or Ford ute or wagon would surely suffice.
     
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    All-new rear-drive ‘fastback’ Kia is gunning for Commodore fans and performance buyers

    This is the Stinger GT and it’s the car Kia hopes will win it a legion of new fans Down Under.

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    And as if to twist the knife, Kia has already stated the all-new, rear-drive four-door sedan is set to be launched in Australia
    around the same time we say goodbye to production of the last local rear drive hero car later this year (October 2017).

    We’ll be one of the car’s first markets. But there’s no mistaking the timing or intent of the move.

    Kia Australia will target enthusiasts. It will also woo police forces across the country with Stinger GT


    http://www.motoring.com.au/detroit-motor-show-kia-debuts-twin-turbo-v6-stinger-gt-105326/


    Kia just kicked Holden in the nuts me thinks.... :p
     
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    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    Yup. Providing it has enough torque and drives as good as it looks MY18 Commodore is going to have a Kia badge
     
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    Will it only sell in small numbers to a discerning clientele (enthusiasts), or, if it is a huge sales success, why have the majority of buyers forsaken the sedans from the ‘Aussie’ manufacturers ?.
    Interesting times ahead for the large RWD sedan in Oz that Holden ( I mean GM ) declared is dead, and Ford have buried.
     
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    Stroppy

    There's more to buying an SUVforvsome people than just being fashionable.

    I drove Commodore sedans for years and loved them but age and physical conditions eventually made them difficult to enter and exit.

    I'm almost 65 and 6'4" in height. My knees are both stuffed. The other half has hip problems. Late model Commie seats tend to be pretty low set and we bought an SUV principally for the much higher seat height and easy access. The wagon type body also beats a sedan boot for loading.

    Handling is adequate but obviously inferior to your VF. Dittoneconomy though not by much. We don't have a large SUV and the size of our car is ideal. It's a fair bit shorter than a Commie and pretty manouverable.

    I'd much rather have a VF but it just doesn't suit our needs any more. I'm sure we are not alone
     
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    Awful lot a truth here. I couldn't think of anything worse than an expensive, two-tonne, inefficient, uncomfortable, poor quality truck as a daily driver. And then I'd step out of the thing and cringe at the fact I paid $60k+ for drum brakes and leaf springs! Don't get me wrong, they have their purpose/place, but not for me, not as a daily anyway.
     
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    Calaber, I've no doubt there are people such as yourself who need a taller vehicle for easier egress and ingress. That was one of the only things which attracted me to thinking about buying a SUV...that and the high-up driving stance. So please don't think I was being critical of folks such as yourself for whom such a vehicle is physically better suited...I wasn't and best wishes to you. I was more thinking about the "average" buyer for whom buying such vehicles doesn't make economic or practical sense when the large wagon alternative will do the job cheaper, with better handling and basic safety.
     
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    Yes...very true. A couple of years ago a mate bought himself a brand new Land Rover Defender for his retirement. He optioned it with absolutely everything from winches, bull bar, the best UHF radio, in-built shelving and a lovely Engel fridge for his envisioned camping trips with his doggy companion. It was a great vehicle to look at and, as Landies are, was as tough as nails however...when he had been driving it for a fortnight he popped around for a visit and he looked pretty sad. After we had chatted for a bit he came out and said, "Mate...if I had my time over I wouldn't have bought it." I was really surprised and asked him why. His answer was illuminating. "It handles like a barge compared to my old Maxima, it can't pull the skin off a rice pudding and the brakes frighten me!" I reminded him that he was talking about a basic agricultural and military vehicle and what was he expecting for normal road use...etc... I also reminded him that it had many other merits over a road car in the bush and in atrocious outback conditions. He knew all that... he just couldn't live with the thing as a day-to-day driver. So, being that he was on his own (wife and kids long gone) and could spare a few bob I talked him into buying a day to day "normal" car and keeping his Landy for his trips. He went and bought himself a near-new Aurion V6 and was as happy as a pig in mud! He could afford to keep both but the Aurion went on to become his main driver.
     
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    I hear you, I'm about 6'6" but not quiet as old yet, knees well past there best too I'd say.

    Day to day it's not to bad on short trips but after a long haul it's takes a while to extricate myself from the drivers seat. Cruise control is great in that regard, you can flex etc without effecting road speed.
     
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    No offence taken mate. While our gutless little Captiva is as excting to drive as a Morris Minor, it meets our current needs well.

    I've had my share of big V8's years ago and from time to time I've wished for just one more go. I got to drive a new CV8 a few years back but unfortunately the other half was with me so I couldn't give it a boot. I just knew I wanted one. Still do for weekend SOLO trips.
     
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    Must agree Kia has come along way.
    and rear wheel drive to boot
     

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