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The VE Commodore Wheel Fitment Guide**UNDER CONSTRUCTION**

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by Grennan, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. Grennan

    Grennan Slayer of Stupid Threads

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    **UNDER CONSTRUCTION**


    DISCLAIMER: The following thread should be used as a guide only. This is not a comprehensive 100% these wheels will fit . It requires the reader to use their own brain to determine if the following specifications fit their driving style, environment and their car, because every car has slightly different tyres/suspension/wheel allignment/camber when getting to the absolute maximum of your guards, measurements need to be done on YOUR end. I am also not going to guarantee that the fitment and sizing is legal in your state, please confirm with your local laws and/or insurance company if you have concerns.

    If you message me and blame me for your inability to measure, I will reply with assorted pictures of male genitalia, they may or may not be human.


    So welcome to the JustCommodores, "Will It Fit" thread. Firstly, I would like to credit a user by the name of SpeedRacerX from the US G8 Forums. I spent many months trying to find information on fitment for my VE Commodore and his thread was a wealth of knowledge. You can find his thread here: Offset Reference Ranges - "Will it Fit?" - Pontiac G8 Forum: G8 Forums - G8Board.com If you have about 3 months of spare time, you can read it. My aim is to present the information a little easier and more suited to Australia. The US guys tend to do things a little bit differently and tend to stick with smaller sized wheels such as 18 and 19".

    First and foremost, I want to go through some wheel fitment terms you will find in this thread:

    Offset: The offset of a wheel is the distance from its hub mounting surface to the center line of the wheel. This measurement is one of the most important things you will need to know.

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    Poke: Poke is the term used where the wheel protrudes from the wheel arch. Typically refers to the wheel being further out towards the guard.

    Tuck: Wheel sitting inside the arch/guard, when lowered some of the wheel disappears as the arch/guard hides it.

    Stretch: Refers to stretching a narrower tire over a wider wheel, the sidewalls stretch from the lip to the tread.

    Stance: Broadly speaking it means having an aggressive wheel fitment as well as vehicle height.

    Staggered: Staggered wheels generally refer to having two different width wheels on the front and rear of the vechile. IE 8.5" Front and 10" Rear.

    Spacers: Wheel Spacers are a thin peice of metal that usually bolt or slip on between the wheel and hub adding extra offset. Spacers can be unsafe.

    What is standard and why do I need to know?

    17-19" Holden Wheels (Including SSV) are 8" wide with a +48 offset.
    19-20" HSV Wheels Front: 8.5" Wide +36 offset Rear: 9.5" +57 offset.

    These are your base measurments. Learn them. When calculating if your wheels will fit. You will be adding dimensions to the standard size wheel to get an idea.

    How To Measure My Own Specs

    Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit

    Is a fantastic website for giving you an easy way to visual how they fit.

    For example. Im fitting 10" wide +30 offset wheels to my Holden SSV with 255/35/20 tyres.

    This is what I am presented with:

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    On the right hand side I am show the new measurments as well as the old measurements on the left. This is a very basic indication of where the wheel will sit. Be warned, it will not take into account each individual cars suspension layout, inner guard configuration etc. Using these measurements you need to measure where the wheel will sit on your car. On the front, you need to take into account things like where the front strut is and if you will hit it. A wider wheel for example will need a lower offset (somewhere around the 30s) to clear the shock absorber. You also need to take into account the inner guard lining, passengers and fuel tank weight as well as suspension height for the rear. At the maximum limits, camber is also a very important factor.


    Front Specifications


    These are specs that will fit with minimal front guard work.

    [table]
    [tr]
    [th]Wheel Specs[/th]
    [th]Offset Range[/th]
    [th]Tyre Size[/th]
    [th]Comment[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20" * 8.5"[/td]
    [td]+20 up to +42[/td]
    [td]35/245[/td]
    [td]+20 is at the extreme end of the fitment spectrum.

    See 10" +35 for fitment example.

    30 is fairly flush - See Grennan's Wagon
    [/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20" * 9"[/td]
    [td]+26 up to ?[/td]
    [td]?[/td]
    [td]+30 offset would be fairly safe, would sit ~+5mm more out than 8.5" +30

    +26 would be pushing similar to 8.5" +20.

    Not many examples.[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20" * 9.5"[/td]
    [td]+34 up to +40[/td]
    [td]35/255[/td]
    [td]+30 would be similar to a 10" +35. Pushing the front guard limits.

    Would feel comfortable in the 34-40 range. Anything 40+ run the risk of fouling strut.

    May require slight roll.[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]20" * 10"[/td]
    [td]+35[/td]
    [td]35/255[/td]
    [td]35 will poke a little, see: Blockab's Wagon

    You need to run around a 35. +38-40 you may foul on the strut. Its a very fine line.

    May also require slight roll.[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    Rear Specifications

    *WILL FILL*

    MISC Measurements:

    *WILL FILL*
     
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  2. ducker85

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    Holden's 17-20" wheels are all 8" wide and 48P offset. With the exception of the VF redline wheels to my current knowledge

    HSV wheels are 19-20" diameter and EITHER 8.5 wide 36P (front) or 9.5 wide 57P (rear) the VFs are the same
     
  3. Grennan

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    Yeah Ill fill it all when I get a chance.

    Its been a thing ive wanted to do for a while. I had a bit of free time while at work today so I chucked a basic template up. Ill endevour to get it all done and filled out within the next few days.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to put this together :thumbsup:
     
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    Agreed this will be a wealth of knowledge. Probably wouldn't hurt if people posted a picture of their VE with what size rims/tyres and what sort of suspension, plus whether they had to roll or pump guards to fit.
     
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    include something about spoke design, you can have the lowest ET in the world and still foul a big brake kit. Concavity, spoke protrusion.
     
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    I have contacted a few members already, im compiling some pics to go along with my measurements.

    I wasnt going to as its very hard to be specific with it due to how many different brands of wheels there are. At most, I could maybe mention it and maybe give a list of wheels that are known to clear, but that wont be in the short term.

    EDIT. Filled in the first little section, ran out of time on lunch. Will do more soon.
     
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    Ive chucked some front wheel specs up. Feel free to critique. Add some etc.
     
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    Consider presenting the information in a table (BBcode), indicating the inner and outer clearance at common offsets for each common width.
    In addition to the numerical clearance, why not use a simple legend to note Stock spec., what is Legal limit, and factors that will adversely affect the car's steering / geometry like Turning (radius, scrub, under/over steer). Also perhaps identify the point where all 4four wheels can be fitted with the same spec. (for cheaper tyre fitting and longer life with some rotation).
    I use stock 8" wheels with 255/40 Sumitomo rubber on 19s. Clears big brakes.
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    Rear et 33 using TÜV 15mm wheel adaptors. All good clearance HTG 330mm to 390mm. Track is wider than a Murcielago and is a welcome difference.
    Front et 28 using TÜV 20mm wheel adaptors. All good clearance HTG 330mm to 390mm. Wider track means reduced turning circle, better turn-in at speed, huge benefit with specialist wheel alignment.
     
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    I wont have access to all the clearance numbers. I dont have Hakhawks wheel inventory at my house and clearances apart from "Yay doesnt hit the strut" doesnt really get reported.

    Ill fiddle with different formatting once the information is all up. Its going to be a HUGE wall of text so any way to get the core info out easier will be looked at soon(tm). Right now its just a matter of finding time to get the info there.

    Legal limits, frankly, as I said in the first post in big bold letters. Its up to YOU to research what is legal. I dont have the time to go through state by state verifying what is legal or not. Perhaps the general rule of thumb should be applied if youre going 2" wider track or if youre pushing the limits of poke its probably safe to say its frowned upon.

    Oversteer and understeer. Again, not something I have access to and probably not something anyone apart from the overly anal are concerned about. Im not going to bother.

    I will be reporting the tyre sizing next to the offset and width. If the end user wants the ability to purchase the same 4 tyres they will need to deciede for themselves what combination to go with.
     
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    Maybe just add that all those front wheels spec are for zero camber or factory spec. The rear is a bit more on the vehicles owner to adjust camber issues while the front is quite easy
     
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    Anyone know if theres any chance of XXR 521 wheels clearing Brembo's?
     
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    Looking at a set of vertini wheels would just like to know if someone can confirm offsets for me,

    Front 20x8.5 p25
    Rear 20x10 p25

    To fit 06' SSV
     
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    So it doesn't look like any one looks in here often but seems the right place to ask,

    Just wondering if VF ssv redline rims will strait bolt on to a VE, not so worried about the rim / wheel sizes, 19x 8.5 48p with 245 40 19, and / 19 x 9 57p with 275 35 19, replacing 19 x 8.5 with 245 40 19.

    just want to make sure the wheel nuts studs etc are all the same before I put them on...
     
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    You'll be fine mate. No issues. They're the same.
     
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    They will fit on your car fine. I'm not sure what those alloys are load rated for. I've seen a few crack and shatter from rough rural roads and people hitting gutters. Try not to get blasted.
     
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    Interesting seeing as the Redlines forged rims are meant to be the ducks nuts. VFs also carry a higher load rating then VEs....
     
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    I thought it was unusual too.
     
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    Ok brainiacs

    Looking at lenso D1R' 10" all round
    Front 20 X 10" +35
    Rear 20 X 10" +45

    Makes sense to fit with minimal guard work? Car isn't lowered that they should scrap anyways. Thanks
     
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    They will fit easy but will need a guard roll/pump on the front and probably the rear too. Will look silly being so aggressive without lowering tho
     

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