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VW Vs EPA drama ?

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Skydrol, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. mpower

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    This story has been tracking for a while, and just like the volcanoes a few of you love to point out these are things that are essentially out of our control - we do have the ability to reduce emissions from the exhaust so that's where you focus - you don't just sit back and say, "ah well volcanoes and fires and stuff so bugger it we'll just add to it". It'd be like saying ah well, the dino's and stuff got wiped out by a meteor so stuff it - let's burn the Amazon down.

    The logic of comparing these natural events to automotive and industrial emissions is beyond ludicrous.
     
  2. Rajesh Koothrappali

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    No it's not. If entire existence of the Earth since it formed was represented as a beach, the industrialised age would be a grain of sand. The impact of one grain of sand on the whole beach is insignificant. The fact people think the industrialised age of humankind has any SIGNIFICANT impact (I have never said there's no impact), as in enough of an impact to make a noticeable difference to the planet compared with the planet's own natural evolution and climate cycles, they're delusional. And science backs that up. Well, science that's not tainted by the effort to make a dollar or be granted funding by alarmist delusions.
     
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    Actually the science backs up man-made climate change. It's not a grain of sand. That's yer problem son.

    Science backed by the oil lobby, the coal lobby - that's the taint.
     
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    Yeah I know... The science funded by alarmists or governments and companies who are interested in fueling their agendas and lining their pockets by putting a price on carbon.
     
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    number 1 greenhouse gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
     
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    I have to agree with mpower. Even if human activity only accounts for half the earth's total emissions we should at least address that half.
     
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    But it accounts for less than 3% (or is that less than 0.3%? Off the top of my head - no time to look it up atm).
     
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    according to who?
     
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    Another interesting thing is, why NASA (former NACA) is making such claims. Their job is not to study the weather. For that we have NOAA. The EPA is in lame terms to protect the environment. According to the report is NASA, talk about duplication of effort and even triplication of effort. Well, they need to find some to justify their funding.
     
  11. Rajesh Koothrappali

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    Yup! Considering the National Aeronautics and Space Administration has no more manned space vehicles, they have to spend money somewhere.
     
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    That is right Raj... is all about the money.

    Can we call this the VW Fix ?

    Invest on Palladium.

    On the very same website...
    Any alarmist at least should know who is Roger Revelle and be familiarized with his research. He was the man that started all.

    Research conclusion.
     
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    NASA has many atmospheric studies going on. That is part of their job.
     
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    See its fine for Anti Climate Change people to be backed by Oil and Coal, but who are the pros backed by?

    From around 2005 on you could not get a science grant unless you were Pro Man Made Climate change depending on your country. Australia, Ive got plenty of friends who are doctors at Monash University, two of whom went to Mexico in 2000andsomething to do a climate speech and privately, they dont believe a word of it. You simply wouldnt get funding if you werent ringing the bells. Id say thats almost as compelling as big bucks from Coal and Oil.

    I think we as humans do have an impact on the climate, its just a insignificant impact in the grand scheme of things. The climate will change as it has done for millions of years and we, whehter we like it or not, are not at the top of the food chain when it comes to mother nature and her will.

    Thats not to say that we shouldnt improve our conditions. Cleaner air, cleaner cities, sustainable power. Theyre all admirable things to strive for. I just fail to see why we are cutting our noses off to spite our face in some situations. Do what we can, but dont make unrealistic goals (such as shutting down all the coal) that cannot be met without crippling economies for something that in the end is out of our control.
     
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    I think the debate has moved well on from whether there is global warming or not. The future of fossil fuels is limited whether it be for health, environmental, supply or many other reasons. The debate now is what we should be looking to in the future. Is it nuclear, solar, wind or whatever? They too all have their advantages and disadvantages but Australia is well placed to exploit a number of them. We need to decide where the future lies for Australia and start developing it and exploiting it.
     
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    So well said Gren! Spot on! Agree 100% with everything you said.

    Correct - because there isn't.
     
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    Grennan you are right, we have some to do but is not the problem. Noeleter you are right on exploring other sources, however, the Peak Oil meme is not happening. Right now we have a huge surplus of oil and I read somewhere, that is not a fossil fuel. Is a proven fact, the Earth with heat and pressure creates oil. The problem is, how long does it takes to make it. I do not have the answer to that.

    Nuclear Power is the way to go. Sounds crazy but is true read on Breeder Reactors, very interesting reading. Another technology that seems promising is Bloom Energy . That is a fuel cell that take Natural Gas (more abundant than oil) and creates electricity.

    Now, how come nobody talk about this?

    To be with the VW deal....

    The VW thing is a money scam from hell. If anybody takes in consideration what is going on in Europe at this moment is it a coincidence?
    Drop of the Euro.
    Refugees from Syria.
    Greek bailout by the Bundesbank.
    Sanctions against Russia that hurts European business.

    A form of retaliation that I read on a report was the Dutch taxing Starbucks (US franchise) for back taxes, no free ride for them.

    Economics paint a better picture than politics.
     
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    We are way off topic now I think, but, just on this.

    Finkel the answer to Australia's 'weakness'

    Alan Finkel is a heavy pro nuclear thinker. With the recent work done in SA on the investigation of Nuclear opportunities, I think we are heading towards a discussion on Nuclear energy in this country and I am extremely hopeful that we can have this discussion without the scaremongering campaign from the extreme left who will shout Chernobyl in defiance against moving forward.
     
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    10 years ago I don't think anyone in Australia would have even considered the nuclear option. There has been increasing debate over that time with a lot of "environmentalists" supporting it because in a lot of ways it is "clean". Any debate however does need to consider all pros and cons. I still have an open mind but think we do need to get on with exploring and debating the options.
     
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    Nuclear is the best option for Australia. We use our own resources. We have the facilities to cool it with Desal plants in WA, SA and VIC. We have ample area to store it. We can sell storage to those we export to. Its clean. It can support our large base load.

    The Greens and Labor will oppose it every step of the way. Its 10 years off, its expensive. But, Wind and Solar will never be able to handle our base load and will be far to inefficient in comparison.

    Put it in SA. Give SA some employement and research appeal.
     

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