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VW Vs EPA drama ?

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VW at least aren't arguing.

Volkswagen CEO says recall related to diesel emissions crisis to start in January - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Volkswagen will launch a recall for cars affected by its diesel emissions crisis in January and complete the fix by the end of next year, chief executive Matthias Mueller says.

"If all goes according to plan, we can start the recall in January," Mr Mueller told German newspaper the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

"All the cars should be fixed by the end of 2016."

Mr Mueller told the FAZ he believed only a few employees were involved in the diesel emissions rigging that has hammered the company's share value and done severe damage to its reputation, refuting the notion his detail-oriented predecessor Martin Winterkorn must have known about it.

He said Volkswagen would have to become smaller and less centralised, adding that every model and brand would be scrutinised for its contribution to the company.

But he said an "evolution" rather than a "revolution" was needed to get VW back on track, predicting the company could "shine again" in two to three years.

"This crisis gives us an opportunity to overhaul Volkswagen's structures," Mr Mueller said.

"We want to make the company slimmer, more decentralised and give the brands more responsibility."

Mr Mueller rejected the suggestion Volkswagen had informed financial markets too late about the diesel problems despite having told officials at the US Environmental Protection Agency weeks before it went public.

"Based on our understanding of the law, we informed in time," he said.
 

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Skydrol, the debate about what causes greater emissions is not the argument here. The whole issue at hand is that a global corporate monolith undertook deliberate act(s) of fraud for their own financial gain including selling vehicles on the promise of reduced emissions and claiming green credits based on those claims when that clearly was not the truth. They lied and cheated to get that gain.

In VW's case, it is not relevant whether or not other manufacturer's have also gone down the same path. The simple fact is that VW got caught and have now admitted to their crime.

Your claim that its OK because everyone else does it holds no water. You may as well go pop a cap in your neighbour's arse and claim innocence coz they guy over the road did it to his neighbour yesterday.
 

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This raises a few more issues and questions.

How on earth could "only a few" people be involved? That doesnt wash, at all. This is systematic tampering of the emissions control in order to pass tests that have gone on for years. For this to gave gone unnoticed for so long it was not the work of a few. This has been swept under the rug by many higher ups.

Recalls. People arent going to want to take their cars back to the dealership to be returned a car with less power without some form of compensation.

Are the relevant environmental agencies going to enforce this recall? What is the blowback on the customer if they do not take the car back - if any?
 

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Seriously, who honestly gives a flying monkey #### about this and VW, this is a commodore forum in the end (exluding hak and his billion bmws)

They made a program to #### with **** like most places do, they lied about figures like every single company does, and they got busted like every single company either has or will be in the future.

Sick of hearing about this on the news and the web and then seeing this thread pop up all the time.
 

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What if VW set these vehicles up to run AdBlue ? Will they retain their performance characteristics without the NOx downsides ?
 

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Right now we don't even know the full facts, the only thing certain is that VW defeated the California smog test, everything else is still up for debate.

Publicly VW will capitulate to try and save face with the consumer, no doubt the legal team will be working to cover their collective arses on the quiet and limit liability.
 

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What they sold to the public IS what passed the test. The public will get the same results as the test results too if they drive to the test requirements.

NO it didn't. The test is so many grams (?)/km NOX to be emitted. I may have missed it but I didn't see anything in the standard which stipulated that only applied during the emissions test on a dyno. Yes VW did pass the test in 1 very limited circumstances but in service these cars did not comply with the standard in any shape or form.

Nope not trolling AT ALL! I'm just repeating myself now... People don't get it.

Ask someone to pass a test, and the will work towards passing a test in the best way they can.

Ask someone to meet more specific requirements, and they'll work to meet those requirements as best as they can.

Don't criticise someone for doing what was asked of them when you expect a different result to that which was asked.

I.e.

Party A. "meet the requirements of this test"
Party B. "ok - done"
Party A. "ok but you don't meet the requirements of the test in X scenario"
Party B. "because X scenario wasn't part of the original request"


An example from my industry...

Client: "Please install X Software and get X Software to work in our environment"
Vendor: "OK, done"
Client: "Thank you but it doesn't integrate with Y Software"
Vendor: "But X Software is installed and working in your environment which is what you asked for. If you also want X Software to integrate with Y Software, you should have specified that in your original request."

In that example, VW would be the Vendor.

Your analogy fails at step 1 as the software simply would not operate in 'our environment'. Our environment in VW context is exhaling a given amount of chemicals per km travelled. It simply fails the test and not just by a little bit. The test may be related to a given set of rpm/engine load parameters for a given time to calculate (similar to fuel economy standards) which will have little real world relevance however tests I have seen where the car was 'tricked' into not believing it was being emissions tested but otherwise run as per the standard (which they did via a awd dyno) failed dismally.

VW Jetta TDI dyno shows HP loss trying to recreate cheat mode

Anyway - as I've said before - it's not like the Germans would try to gas anybody is it????
 

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Seriously, who honestly gives a flying monkey #### about this and VW, this is a commodore forum in the end (exluding hak and his billion bmws)

They made a program to #### with **** like most places do, they lied about figures like every single company does, and they got busted like every single company either has or will be in the future.

Sick of hearing about this on the news and the web and then seeing this thread pop up all the time.

Obviously, some of us are interested in cars generally, not just Commodores, so we do give a flying monkey's. You're not? Fine, go read some other threads.

Pretty simple, really.
 

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Obviously, some of us are interested in cars generally, not just Commodores, so we do give a flying monkey's. You're not? Fine, go read some other threads.
It also quite probably has some far-reaching consequences across the whole industry ... even affecting Commodores in future, when they rebadge the diesel Malibu as a Commodore.
 

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Seriously, who honestly gives a flying monkey #### about this and VW, this is a commodore forum in the end (exluding hak and his billion bmws)

They made a program to #### with **** like most places do, they lied about figures like every single company does, and they got busted like every single company either has or will be in the future.

Sick of hearing about this on the news and the web and then seeing this thread pop up all the time.

Last time I looked this was posted in the PUB section which as it states "Talk about anything not relating to cars or Commodores in general."
 
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