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VW Vs EPA drama ?

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In the way I see it. They passed the EPA and California test and that is what is required to get their certification. So the did. How they did it, well, that is another thing.

Shoot... as soon you start any combustion engine the emission system does not work until the engine reaches operational temp. Also, under load, will fail too.

VW complied and beat the EPA on their own game and rules; now they are pissed. The swindler got scammed on the poker game they created.

Imagine taking a math test and the rule strictly says No Electronic Calculators and you bring a Sliding Ruler and get accused of cheating.

Here some interesting to put it in perspective.

Naughty Earth... we need to place emission controls on you.

The volcano entered a phase of increasing activity again. New ash emissions, tremor episodes and increased SO2 output occurred during the past days and suggest that a new pulse of magma is on its way. This could lead to a new, possibly intense eruptive phase in the near future.#
Because the last significant activity occurred more than 6 months ago, the upper conduit of the volcano is likely blocked by a plug under which pressurized gasses accumulate. This in turn could lead to a sudden, strong vent-clearing explosion, a potentially very dangerous eruption.#

Tungurahua volcano (Ecuador): new ash emissions, eruption warning


Diesel engines operate at lower temperatures than gasoline engines and platinum is better suited as a catalyst to reduce harmful emissions at lower temperatures,#according to Stillwater Palladium.

So, invest in Palladium; Market Watch says. Palladium

NOx

They are produced from the reaction of#nitrogen#and#oxygen#gases in the air duringcombustion, especially at high temperatures.#

NOx#gases are formed whenever combustion occurs in the presence of nitrogen – as in an air-breathing engine; they also are produced naturally by#lightning.

They said the NOx test failed.

To prevent NOx pollution, no BBQ for y'all !

I find also interesting that aircraft engines does not have any emission controls. The temperature of the exhaust gases reaches about 500 to 600 C; combustion chamber reaches about 1500 to 1800 C all done with Kerosene (JP4 ) or Diesel (JP8). Those engines sure spew more NOx than a 2L TDI. The only pollution control they had was called a "Hush Kit". That was for Noise Pollution on turbojets and low bypass turbofans; high bypass turbofans are much quieter, so fell into the aviation history books.


How good is your Star Trek knowledge? I have 2 words for the whole incident....


Kobayashi Maru
 
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The NGO resposible (according to the Guardian) for uncovering the scandal was the INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL ON CLEAN TRANSPORTATION.

...said John German, one of the two co-leads on the US team of the International Council for Clean Transportation (ICCT), the European-based NGO that raised the alarm.

According to the Tax Form 990 is actually called THE INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL ON CLEAN TRANSPORTATION INC based in Washington DC.

The board of directors on page 6 are...

(a) Name and address of each employee paid more than $50,000

(b) Title, and average hours per week devoted to position

(c) Compensation

(d) Contribution to employee benefit plans and deferred compensation

(e) Expense account, other allowances

JOHN GERMAN / PROGRAM DIRECTOR / NW 1225 EYE STREET 900 WASH, DC 200053998 / 60.00 / 180,317. 34,608. 0.

FATUMATA KAMAKATE / RESEARCH DIRECTOR / NW 1225 EYE STREET 900 WASH, DC 200053998 / 60.00 / 126,857. 22,8 62. 0.

DAN RUTHERFORD / R. STAFF SCIENTIST / NW 1225 EYE STREET 900 WASH, DC 200053998 / 60.00 / 106,053. 25,061. 0.

EDWARD PIKE / STAFF SCIENTIST / NW 1225 EYE STREET 900 WASH, DC 200053998 / 60.00 / 93,912. 24,538. 0.

ANUP BANDIVADEKAR / R. STAFF SCINTIST / NW 1225 EYE STREET 900 WASH, DC 200053998 / 60.00 / 101,564. 10,297. 0.

By the looks of their salaries looks like a For Profit Organization to me working 60 hrs a week.

One of their biggest contributors is THE WILLIAM & FLORA HEWLETT FOUNDATION from Menlo Park California. The tax form 990 and on page 48 you will see the contributors.

All you have to do is find the NGO name and add on the search engine " Tax Form 990 " and you will see the contributors, board members and the rabbit holes from where the money is generated.

You will be surprise what you can dig out, if you are patience enough.
 

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I wonder... what are the emissions standards; is it tighter than Gasoline? Is set up in a way that is a "setup for failure"? Just made tight enough that is not cost effective to achieve?

For some odd reason, here in the USA is always been the case about pushing Diesel engines away.
 
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I find also interesting that aircraft engines does not have any emission controls. The temperature of the exhaust gases reaches about 500 to 600 C; combustion chamber reaches about 1500 to 1800 C all done with Kerosene (JP4 ) or Diesel (JP8). Those engines sure spew more NOx than a 2L TDI. The only pollution control they had was called a "Hush Kit". That was for Noise Pollution on turbojets and low bypass turbofans; high bypass turbofans are much quieter, so fell into the aviation history books.

There is no money in making aeroplanes comply with emissions standards, there are more cars on the road that planes in the air.
 

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There is no money in making aeroplanes comply with emissions standards, there are more cars on the road that planes in the air.

However, they travel longer distances than cars. Combined numbers, I have no data on that. But within and airliner life cycle are several million miles. In the USA is common for trucks to reach the million mile mark easy, for a car, almost never.

You are right about no money on that...
 

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However, they travel longer distances than cars. Combined numbers, I have no data on that. But within and airliner life cycle are several million miles. In the USA is common for trucks to reach the million mile mark easy, for a car, almost never.

You are right about no money on that...

You have to take a lot of variables into account before trying to compare aircraft emissions with vehicles.

Aircraft are much fewer in overall numbers and operate at extreme altitudes at higher speeds. Their emissions would disappate in the atmosphere much more readily owing to the aircraft's wake and air currents and extremely low temperatures at those altitudes.

Vehicles operate at much lower speeds, in far greater numbers, particularly in very heavy traffic, and wind/air movements are much lower whilst air temps are much higher. It is air temperature that has a major effect on pollution. For example, look at the levels of smog which occur around LA and in China - massive car numbers, low speeds and high ambient temperatures. The perfect environment for heavy air pollution to occur.
 

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Point is mute anyway, if the planes had some sort of emissions standards then you could start comparing them and blah-did-e-blah.

VW have emissions standards to comply with - they could not, they then faked them to intentionally mislead - thus, fraud.

VW's fraud is the topic, everything else is white noise.
 
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Point is mute anyway, if the planes had some sort of emissions standards then you could start comparing them and blah-did-e-blah.

VW have emissions standards to comply with - they could not, they then faked them to intentionally mislead - thus, fraud.

VW's fraud is the topic, everything else is white noise.

Calm down man... Sheesh. As has been pointed out, has anyone died because of it? No!

This whole thing is a joke! Why? For decades, tobacco companies have been proven to KNOW cigarettes are dangerous to your health and can cause death. They KNEW and kept selling them, promoting them, marketing them to younger and younger people KNOWING they're addictive and KNOWING they will kill you. and MANY people have died. Where's the level of outcry for that FRAUD?

This whole VW thing has been blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. Probably as a precursor to even more ridiculous greeny hippy environmental planet warming alarmist garbage that will do nothing but cost most people money and line the pockets of the already wealthy.

White noise? This whole VW thing IS the white noise... The economic effect alone tells you the motivation for the amount of attention it has is not because of negligible amounts of gas that have no significant impact.

And with regard to the significant impact comment, consider this - 1 volcanic eruption causes the release of many, many times more emissions of pollutants than the emissions of the entire human race since the beginning of humans existence.
 
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