""need help"" own a stocko 3800 vp and wanting to really give it some horsepower

[boourns]

hi, i have recently bought a vp commodore and i am wanting to "over a period of time" work the engine to get some serious horsepower without a supercharger or turbo kit "at the moment". i know that the throttle body has been worked, it has lukey extractors, 2 and a half inch ehaust and a pod filter has been installed but that is about it, the engine has done over 300,000 ks but still skids off the mark, and not sure if it has had many services either. where should i start?

[VSIIBerlinaL67]

start with full service

[VZTHUNDER]

you could have it tuned
stroked (later on while doing this you could polish the ports and balance the engine)
you can put high lift roller rockers

just remember you get out what you put in

[immortality]

HP=$$$$ so it really depends on what oyu wanna spend. start with the holden VS super6 CAI with a good air filter. some headers with 2.5" cat back exhaust. a full service including plugs leads oil/fuel/air filters, new oil. service the trans and have a stage 2 shift kit fitted with corvette servo(assuming it's an auto) also do the diff oil as most poeple over look this(you could also fit a higher diff ratio and LSD). clean the TB and IAC also. then talk to Dr Bob about a tune to suit. if you wanna spend more then look at high ratio rockers/port & polish the heads/cam and if you still want more then look at either stroking it (COME) or forced induction (check the raptor superchargers forum in the sponsered section)

[boourns]

thanks for the replys everyone, well ive got a full fuel injector service booked for thursday.. i guess thats a start, then once the engine has been serviced i will move on to cold air, where can i find a good one? ive been lookin up that ss big mouth 1.. is that any good?

[immortality]

thanks for the replys everyone, well ive got a full fuel injector service booked for thursday.. i guess thats a start, then once the engine has been serviced i will move on to cold air, where can i find a good one? ive been lookin up that ss big mouth 1.. is that any good?

go with the Holden super6 CAI about $50 from your local holden dealer. you need the top 2 pieces, don't bother with the base ofthe air box, you can mod yours to suit. have a look in the "howto" to see how it's done etc

[PaRaDoX]

lol N/A power in a v6... got $$$$$???????? and i mean ALOT

if you want N/A power get a 8, if you want a powerful 6 get FI affordable options

you'd need a full rebuild with 300,000k's means kiss your car good by for 3 months atleast unless u build a engine outta the car which is what id do, (build a VR engine) and id raise the compression for N/A use, u'd wanna make sure the a/f ratio is right on and you run good fuel.... if u want N/A you'll HAVE to build a new engine for it mate or look into the ecotech

[boourns]

oh ok, how much would it cost to rip the motor i have in it now out and put a new vr one in "including the new engine cost"?

[The Darkness]

you want a 6 or 8?

[boourns]

a 6, but like the other guy was saying, my car has done 300 000 KS well over that anyway, i just wana rebuild it to get back lost horsepower then start tuning it up

[The Darkness]

ahhk then. well most wreckers have em for bout 600 to 1000 with a warranty. then 1000 to 1500 for a mech to install unless you can do it

[boourns]

wouldnt they be second hand parts? like old?

[The Darkness]

yeh. brand new you'd be looking at around 5k i think someone got one for. hard to find tho

[boourns]

ahh true, well am i better off re furbishing everything ive got in the engine now or buying second hand parts from a wrecker?

[The Darkness]

same thing really. if you have the cash get a rebuild. if not then a motor from a wreckers should do and you get a warranty at least.

[Premwood]

ahhk then. well most wreckers have em for bout 600 to 1000 with a warranty. then 1000 to 1500 for a mech to install unless you can do it

$1000-$1500 to install a new engine... dont know where your from, but we get ours done for around the $400 mark!

[bundysmurf]

yeah was gonna say thats a bit steep for an engine swap......got a spare sitting here for when mine goes pop and i got quoted $300 to get em swapped. Could always look at a CRS style setup, lots of people (myself included) are pretty impressed with the gains achieved for a modest outlay, bearing in mind performace potential is capped by the limitations of the charger.

[The Darkness]

yeh i know that is steep. thats why i said seeya and walked out but there are ppl out there that will charge that much. dont pay more then 500 i reckon

[boourns]

hi, i have run into a better engine "this one has only done 180 000 ks" and i have been ripping my engine out all day with my mates step dad, will have it in tomorrow. where should i go from there?

[The Darkness]

how much you pick it up for?

[boourns]

ha atm, free, well to put it in/change motors around it was 250, the story is my mate has a vp same as mine but one of my mates took it for a spin wasted, hit a corner at 90 ks and lost it hardcore in the dry "**** ass driver" and went straight into a fence n ****ed up the whole front right panel of his car, suspension etc, so he just said i could have the engine for 100. id say its been flogged a bit but 180 000 ks is better than 400 000 i guess

[The Darkness]

yeh better then nothing. you'll see when its all in i s'pose. maybe start with rockers, exhaust. then work from there

[boourns]

ive already got a 2 and a half inch ehaust system and extractors, should get high ratio roller rockers?

[The Darkness]

yeh from what i have heard they are a good option. if ur willing to open the motor up then the options are limitless. not really but you get my idea

[JUDDO13]

well there is a few things u could do
without opening up ur engine u coule get
CAI
KnN hi-flow panel
performance plugs(not sure which ones to recomend)
and some top-gun leads
but with opening ur enigine well theres many many manby things u can do
stroke it
bore it
shaved/ported/polished heads
bigger cam
rockers
and much more