VS Twin Throt's TV Cable Question

[pedrotski]

Hey,

I recently got some twin throts, Just wondering if anyone had any ideas about how to rig up the tv cable. Any help would be appreciated

[ari666]

so... you bought something without doing ANY research?


cool.

[HoZy]

Someone welded a box ontop of a stock manifold?

HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY?!

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Yeh man, that's a very average looking manifold. I'd be surprised if it works any better than the original bananas (probably be worse).

On topic, looks like they forgot all about the T/V and throttle cables. You will need to make some sort of bracket to hold both cables.

[ari666]

come on guys!!! its got shiney glitter paint on it!!!

[soop]

What's with every dick head wanting to run twin throttle bodies at any cost these days?

[Super_Low 91]

What's with every dick head wanting to run twin throttle bodies at any cost these days?

I got off that wagon long time ago,, just wasn worth all the effort, but if thats what people wanna do then so be it, Let them have there fun

[soop]

Well I'm hardly going to stop them via a forum.
Nothing stopping me asking the obvious question though.

Standard 5ltrs don't need two throttles. V6's certainly don't. Do they come with extra hekkers points or something?

[pedrotski]

Its not shiny glitter paint, its just the sun on it, it was polished but most of the engine it is going on is black so it was painted. I also don't applicate being called a ######## for wanting to run twin throts on a 5L.

ari666: Who says i didn't do any research? i am asking here now for ideas on the TV cable bracket.

soop: The 5l it is going on is anything but stock. It has the biggest off the shelf roller cam from crane, Ported and Shaved heads, Triple valve springs, roller rockers and the list goes on. i wouldn't put these on a stock motor.

I'm not here for your criticism on "why should i run twin throts", Im asking for ideas on a bracket for a TV cable. It looks like a similar setup to the group a throts. how do people run those on a VS?

[soop]

Right, so you're running the biggest cam availible from crane, and you think a butchered stock manifold is going to work...

*sigh*

[pedrotski]

Please explain to me in depth why it wont work?

[soop]

Why the hell should I?
Its been covered that many times its not funny. Its almost common knowleage.

[HoZy]

It will not work, because, the standard banana's/runners are a tuned length for the 5litre, once you chop them up like this guy & weld a "Faux" box ontop an slam 2 necks for throttle bodies on it, it ####s up the whole dynamic setup of the runners,

Look at the shape of the toke intake plenum?
What design is that?
What R&D went into it?

I can keep going

[pedrotski]

Well you seem to be the expert on the matter so i thought you would be able to enlighten me on the matter

How many TWB installations have you performed? Have you dealt with a stock manifold with the top cut off before?

[soop]

How many twin installations?
Frankly bugger all.

Single plane manifold and 1000cfm 4brl throttle body is a WAY better idea.
Bannana's suck because they don't flow.

[pedrotski]

I don't understand how this is any different to a group a twb ex maybe the runners are a different length.

Would anyone have the dimensions of the Group A Manifold for comparison?

[HoZy]

Well you seem to be the expert on the matter so i thought you would be able to enlighten me on the matter

How many TWB installations have you performed? Have you dealt with a stock manifold with the top cut off before?

Actually I've delt with a few different versions, I used to work at JHP Vehicle Enhancements & We made the "Starr Performance" 90mm neck & throttle + Honed runners for the stock banana manifolds with the help of Melbourne Performance Center.


Aswell as a few Similar designs to what you purchased but these used aftermarked runners welded onto a bare stripped banana manifold to make a tuned length design similar to the Group A.

This manifold you purchased, will not help you at all, It may give you a little more torque Down low, But, It will run lean up high, aswell as give you a MASSIVE deadspot in power at about 3000-5500rpm

[pedrotski]

Actually I've delt with a few different versions, I used to work at JHP Vehicle Enhancements & We made the "Starr Performance" 90mm neck & throttle + Honed runners for the stock banana manifolds with the help of Melbourne Performance Center.


Aswell as a few Similar designs to what you purchased but these used aftermarked runners welded onto a bare stripped banana manifold to make a tuned length design similar to the Group A.

This manifold you purchased, will not help you at all, It may give you a little more torque Down low, But, It will run lean up high, aswell as give you a MASSIVE deadspot in power at about 3000-5500rpm

Ok thanks hozy, My comment was actually aimed at soop not yourself.

Can you please explain to me why there will be a dead spot in power and how you can tell me those figures just by looking at the manifold?

[HoZy]

Ok so, Look at a regular Banana intake manifold, Can you see how the runners cross over, Which in turn creates a long runner into an intake chamber which runs at the bottom of the intake manifold along the valley of the motor which ends up near the front throttle body neck. They are a tuned length banana manifold, They do not flow the best, But they are great for N/A power still,

THe one you have, Halfs the Intake runner length. You can see that, it is just a box welded ontop of a set of chopped up runners. Nothing is "tuned length" nor does it have any research & development behind it, it is a guy in his backyard, after $1000-$1500 for welding up boxes an selling them to un-suspecting people, Hoping to give them a "placebo" effect.

No quality workshop would sell something like that unless you got it made, an then they would still disagree with your decision, that is how I know it is a backyard job aswell..

Cheers
mat

[wana s' charge stock vt]

Ok thanks hozy, My comment was actually aimed at soop not yourself.

Can you please explain to me why there will be a dead spot in power and how you can tell me those figures just by looking at the manifold?

LOL mayb flow tested it on photoshop?

soop- ya should stop calling everyone di@kheads, c@ck suckers, retards, ect.....

[soop]

I will when people stop being retards and dick heads.

To the OP, what compression ratio are you looking to run with?

[pedrotski]

Might i remind everyone of these.

TSP Manifold : Trick Shift Performance, The Commodore Specialist.

[soop]

thats not what you posted in the first post thought.

What comp ratio are you planning to run with the cam?

[HoZy]

Stock runners

Trickshift, Whoopdedoo, But even their basic job, Takes into consideration for the cylinder 7 & 8 lean, I doubt yours does, An they have machined their runners an the chamber mouths.

The main difference between your intake manifold and a group a, Is because from memory, a Group a intake manifold has long runners + trumpet bellmouths inside the intake plenum, all designed acordingly.

The manifold you have, try to look inside it....

This is a good aftermarket design of a custom DIY manifold

10" long runners from memory.

[pedrotski]

thats not what you posted in the first post thought.

What comp ratio are you planning to run with the cam?

The side of the manifold is exactly the same. The motor is already built and in the car. 10.9:1