VH only 200km's a tank....

[budgieVH]

i been worrying about this for a while untill tom said something about this beeing crap

i only get about 200km's maybe more a tank its a VH sl strait 6 blue 202 extractors sports muffler heavy duty clutch and thats its for performance parts..

it runs on premium im dont take of fast do burn outs unless its by mustake in the wet on a hill witch has only happend once in my 1 month of driving...
how many km's should i be getting a tank?

some one said it still has the gas stuff on it on the carbie but i dont have gas and i dont plan on using it...



how can i make it use lets petrol or what do i have to tune up ect... its costing me heaps and i have no job atm and would like to go for a long drive for the Moe to Walhala trip!

[Tom_1569]

Bingo.... "The gas stuff"

Running gas drys out the gasket in a carby, and long term destroys them. Remove the remaing gas shit, buy a recondition carby (sues carby on ebay are excellent and $140 bux), whack it on, get it tuned.
Make srue your spark is in healthy. Good plugs, leads, Rotor cap, rotor button, and coil, will have it sparking like new assuming theres no free play in your dissy.

Is it mainly highway or town driving?
My VK I was getting 500+ km's to a tank, but mainly highway driving.

Also wouldnt hurt to do a compression test to make sure everything is still nice and tight, if you have a stuffed bottom end you dont stand a change of getting better figures.

[budgieVH]

i dont even know what the gas stuff is haha... i put new oil and new spark plugs in a couple weeks ago.. in side the dizzie there is this weird looking thing stickin up i think it spins and hits the terminals where the lead plug in well i can move that i little..

whats a rotor cap and all that?

town driving mostly. maroondah high way some times..

[Tom_1569]

i dont even know what the gas stuff is haha... i put new oil and new spark plugs in a couple weeks ago.. in side the dizzie there is this weird looking thing stickin up i think it spins and hits the terminals where the lead plug in well i can move that i little..

whats a rotor cap and all that?

town driving mostly. maroondah high way some times..

lol, post up a photo of your engine bay.

New oil filter aswell I hope?

Inside the dissy the thing poking up that spins is your rotor button, it will have a little bit of free play, just cant have to much. The thing you take off to get to that is your rotor cap (where all 7 leads go to).

All town driving, I would be hoping for 350-400km's, but Im a nazi when it comes to an economical car lol.

[budgieVH]

lol, post up a photo of your engine bay.

New oil filter aswell I hope?

Inside the dissy the thing poking up that spins is your rotor button, it will have a little bit of free play, just cant have to much. The thing you take off to get to that is your rotor cap (where all 7 leads go to).

All town driving, I would be hoping for 350-400km's, but Im a nazi when it comes to an economical car lol.

okay ill post one up tomoro

yes i put new oil filter in, oh and i replaced air filter and cleaned then inside of it.

you can move the rotor cap a little bit but not much.. yeah i replaced the lead going from the coil to the dissy.. melted was not on properly

id be happy getting 300kms out of it.. what i might do next week is fill it till the pump stops and use it untill it wont run haha.... what ya think?

oh yeah when i was at the light the other day idleing it like reved from 1100rpm up to 2000rmp then strait back down then up again then down what is up with that?
felt like it was going to stall

[Tom_1569]

okay ill post one up tomoro

yes i put new oil filter in, oh and i replaced air filter and cleaned then inside of it.

you can move the rotor cap a little bit but not much.. yeah i replaced the lead going from the coil to the dissy.. melted was not on properly

id be happy getting 300kms out of it.. what i might do next week is fill it till the pump stops and use it untill it wont run haha.... what ya think?

oh yeah when i was at the light the other day idleing it like reved from 1100rpm up to 2000rmp then strait back down then up again then down what is up with that?
felt like it was going to stall

Fill up, to the second click, reset your tripmeter, drive to NEAR empty, then fill up again to second click, and record how many Km's, and how many litres you put in. That will give you a fair idea of how many litres to the km's your doing. For corss reference, my vk was capable of 10L/100kms, but averaged, 13L/100km.

The reving up, could be your carby, or your timing up shit creek.

[jakbob]

id be happy getting 300kms out of it.. what i might do next week is fill it till the pump stops and use it untill it wont run haha.... what ya think?

oh yeah when i was at the light the other day idleing it like reved from 1100rpm up to 2000rmp then strait back down then up again then down what is up with that?
felt like it was going to stall

I'm sure you've already thought of if, but if you're going to run it dry make sure you do have a full jerry can in the boot, and your battery is good. And avoid busy motorways where there's no shoulder when you get to the end of the tank.

I'm not sure why it would rev up and down like that but I would definetly be getting a reconditioned carby.
Also if its not done already cut the snorkel down on the air cleaner, and drill a series of holes around the base of it. Its very restrictive when its standard. The car will go much better and it should use a little less fuel. I did it to my vc the other day, the car drives much better. Not really sure if its uses less fuel but its doesn't seem to use anymore either so I'm happy.

[Tom_1569]

Also if its not done already cut the snorkel down on the air cleaner, and drill a series of holes around the base of it. Its very restrictive when its standard. The car will go much better and it should use a little less fuel. I did it to my vc the other day, the car drives much better. Not really sure if its uses less fuel but its doesn't seem to use anymore either so I'm happy.

Will also draw more hot air.... Id say, the less restriction + hot air, it wouldnt make much difference, besides looking tacky, but have heard this method used before.

[budgieVH]

Fill up, to the second click, reset your tripmeter, drive to NEAR empty, then fill up again to second click, and record how many Km's, and how many litres you put in. That will give you a fair idea of how many litres to the km's your doing. For corss reference, my vk was capable of 10L/100kms, but averaged, 13L/100km.

The reving up, could be your carby, or your timing up shit creek.

do you mean seccond click on the petrol pump so when its fill its tops and you press it again when it clicks then do it once more? or you mean on my guage?

[budgieVH]

I'm sure you've already thought of if, but if you're going to run it dry make sure you do have a full jerry can in the boot, and your battery is good. And avoid busy motorways where there's no shoulder when you get to the end of the tank.

I'm not sure why it would rev up and down like that but I would definetly be getting a reconditioned carby.
Also if its not done already cut the snorkel down on the air cleaner, and drill a series of holes around the base of it. Its very restrictive when its standard. The car will go much better and it should use a little less fuel. I did it to my vc the other day, the car drives much better. Not really sure if its uses less fuel but its doesn't seem to use anymore either so I'm happy.

i dont want to do that because my car is already a pain in the arse to warm up.. i went to pick apart today and i seen one with massive holes all around it...

[Tom_1569]

do you mean seccond click on the petrol pump so when its fill its tops and you press it again when it clicks then do it once more? or you mean on my guage?

Till the pump clicks off... Just watch and make sure it clicks off the second time, mine didnt once, and it was quite embarrasing caus I didnt realise to i thought "whys my foot wet" lol, filling up petrol whilst tired isnt a good idea haha.

[budgieVH]

Till the pump clicks off... Just watch and make sure it clicks off the second time, mine didnt once, and it was quite embarrasing caus I didnt realise to i thought "whys my foot wet" lol, filling up petrol whilst tired isnt a good idea haha.

i found the switch for the gas near my fuse box on the side.. i tested it with multimeter because there was some thing on the petrol inlet into the carbie and it switched that over so that must turn the petrol off?? im going to switch it over and try to start it tomoro...

haha alright i will do.. petrol is cheap on tuesday night and wednesday morning so next week ill give it a shot... haha yeah my sisters eb falcon she put the hose in but missed the hole and just spent $50 on petrol for the ground she didnt even know untill the car behind here beebed and the pump stoped! lol

[budgieVH]

lol, post up a photo of your engine bay.

New oil filter aswell I hope?

Inside the dissy the thing poking up that spins is your rotor button, it will have a little bit of free play, just cant have to much. The thing you take off to get to that is your rotor cap (where all 7 leads go to).

All town driving, I would be hoping for 350-400km's, but Im a nazi when it comes to an economical car lol.

here is a picture tom, i also switched the gas switch and it cut the fuel off. wouldnt start for like 10 mins i had to push it down the drive way then it started..

[Tom_1569]

I dont know enough about gas, to be much help on this.

BUT theres a thing in your fuel line near the carby, id say thats whats cutting your fuel, either get a new fuel line (pump to carby), bridge the existing, or dont play with that switch lol, possibly disconnect it, but would make a great immobiliser haha.
Never seen vacuum lines come out of a thermostat either, not sure if thats a heat thing to stop the gas freezing? no idea, but a good guess? lol.
When/If you replace the carby you will be able to see what needs to go back on and just leave the gas stuff disconnected, then remove once your sure you dont need it.

[jakbob]

i dont want to do that because my car is already a pain in the arse to warm up.. i went to pick apart today and i seen one with massive holes all around it...

I find it makes it easier to warm up because it can draw in a lot more hot air. I agree with Tom_1569 though, during normal driving the hot air can't help, but like I said the car drives better with no noticeable increase in fuel consumption, so thats a for me. And also I don't really care what it looks like, nobody really sees anyway. And i used the air cleaner off another engine i bought so i still have the original

[budgieVH]

I find it makes it easier to warm up because it can draw in a lot more hot air. I agree with Tom_1569 though, during normal driving the hot air can't help, but like I said the car drives better with no noticeable increase in fuel consumption, so thats a for me. And also I don't really care what it looks like, nobody really sees anyway. And i used the air cleaner off another engine i bought so i still have the original

sweet so where should i cut the holes if i decide to go ahead with that??

tom what is the thermostat? sorry noob as is it the silver thing above the extractors?

[Tom_1569]

I find it makes it easier to warm up because it can draw in a lot more hot air. I agree with Tom_1569 though, during normal driving the hot air can't help, but like I said the car drives better with no noticeable increase in fuel consumption, so thats a for me. And also I don't really care what it looks like, nobody really sees anyway. And i used the air cleaner off another engine i bought so i still have the original

BUT, the VH uses exhaust gases to warm the engine anyway, then switches off via the vacuum hose (the valve on the end of the snorkel of the air cleaner).

sweet so where should i cut the holes if i decide to go ahead with that??

tom what is the thermostat? sorry noob as is it the silver thing above the extractors?

Noob questions are welcome, I asked them once The thermostate is at the top and front of your engine. Your top radiator hose is going to it, correct term is Thermostat housing, but im lazy But yeah mine has a wire for the temp sensor, no idea why your's has vacuum or what ever that is instead, do you know where that hose leads? Im curious.

[budgieVH]

BUT, the VH uses exhaust gases to warm the engine anyway, then switches off via the vacuum hose (the valve on the end of the snorkel of the air cleaner).



Noob questions are welcome, I asked them once The thermostate is at the top and front of your engine. Your top radiator hose is going to it, correct term is Thermostat housing, but im lazy But yeah mine has a wire for the temp sensor, no idea why your's has vacuum or what ever that is instead, do you know where that hose leads? Im curious.

what fumes are ment to be going into the air intake from the extractors to warm it up?? i dont even have a hole in my extractors its just some peice of metal poking out that the pipe goes on... the valve will it turn on when car is cold like first thing in the morning? i want to see when if it shuts the cold air off

oh okay.. umm well one pipe goes to a black thing witch is screwed into that silver thing above the extractors then a pipe from there goes into the green one into the engine block

then one goes to the carbie and the other to the dissy.. so i should just have one pipe going from the dissy to the carbie? (confused) i wish the gregorys book was more helpful for noobs haha


should i post another thread about gas or something so then someone who has gas reconizes it, i dont know what to name it haha

[Tom_1569]

what fumes are ment to be going into the air intake from the extractors to warm it up?? i dont even have a hole in my extractors its just some peice of metal poking out that the pipe goes on... the valve will it turn on when car is cold like first thing in the morning? i want to see when if it shuts the cold air off

oh okay.. umm well one pipe goes to a black thing witch is screwed into that silver thing above the extractors then a pipe from there goes into the green one into the engine block

then one goes to the carbie and the other to the dissy.. so i should just have one pipe going from the dissy to the carbie? (confused) i wish the gregorys book was more helpful for noobs haha


should i post another thread about gas or something so then someone who has gas reconizes it, i dont know what to name it haha

Dont worry about the warm gas thing, your extractors dont have the port (most dont) anyway. But the correct term ahs come to me and its the EGR system, im pretty sure anyway if you want to research it, not very exciting haha, an emissions thing.

Ummm, Im lost , but ok, its not really important, I was just curious, didnt mean to confuse the both of us more haha.

There will be a vacuum hose going to the dissy, from either carby or manifold, thats your vacuum advance for the dissy. and you will have other vacuum hoses, i've just never seen that setup before.

yeah you can try another thread regarding the gas system if you like,

[budgieVH]

well i was looking at this link and it has the same set up but he has another pipe coming from the side of the engine to this round thing witch i think might be the gas.. on mine that hose has been cut off. it has same set up as me 3 pipes coming from the thermostat eon going to the dissy, one to the silver thing above extractors and one to the carbie....

oi ill take a few more pics tomoro close view of the pipe and shizz

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[Tom_1569]

well i was looking at this link and it has the same set up but he has another pipe coming from the side of the engine to this round thing witch i think might be the gas.. on mine that hose has been cut off. it has same set up as me 3 pipes coming from the thermostat eon going to the dissy, one to the silver thing above extractors and one to the carbie....

oi ill take a few more pics tomoro close view of the pipe and shizz

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Ahh ok, the VK might be different, Ill have a look tomorow. Yeah more pics would be good.

[codfishface]

Not wanting to take this off topic, I`ll keep it short -

Tom, I`m looking at buying a reco Varajet 2 from Sue's Carbies. What settings are they shipped with? Do they bolt straight on with minimal adjustments?
I`m hoping this will improve my fuel economy on my tired old black 202 VK.
Any other tips?

[vlv8vic]

I dont know enough about gas, to be much help on this.

BUT theres a thing in your fuel line near the carby, id say thats whats cutting your fuel, either get a new fuel line (pump to carby), bridge the existing, or dont play with that switch lol, possibly disconnect it, but would make a great immobiliser haha.
Never seen vacuum lines come out of a thermostat either, not sure if thats a heat thing to stop the gas freezing? no idea, but a good guess? lol.
When/If you replace the carby you will be able to see what needs to go back on and just leave the gas stuff disconnected, then remove once your sure you dont need it.

Tom, A++ effort for helping this fella out. it's great to see that there are still members and parts of the forum dedicated to helping members out in more than a sentence in one post.
The 'thing' between the fuel pump and carby would be the solenoid used to cut the petrol flow when the car was switched to gas. as it seems gas isn't running on this car it isn't required, however, shouldn't be causing any problem unless it is faulty. If it's faulty it could explain the engine running lean for a fuel shortage but certainly shouldn't cause excessive consumption.

In terms of the extra vac line coming from the thermo housing - i've never seen it either. The gas systems i've fiddled with had extra hoses from the cooling system hooked to a converter to save the gas freezing. so i doubt it has anything to do with that. Someone with an older engine will confirm, but i suspect that prior to the temp gauge being electrical (you would have a wire or two coming from the same place) it was operated via vacuum pressure from the thermostat housing. You can see the vac switch/breaker near the fuel pump which is the link between the themo switch and gauge on the dash. The second tube would operate the cold start on the intake (i can't see where it goes in the pic) and the last one must be the actual vacuum from the carby. In short it's meant to be there!

Cold start and the 'hunting' described could be due to vacuum lines that are perished or not connected - common on older cars.

How many k's are on this engine?

[Tom_1569]

Not wanting to take this off topic, I`ll keep it short -

Tom, I`m looking at buying a reco Varajet 2 from Sue's Carbies. What settings are they shipped with? Do they bolt straight on with minimal adjustments?
I`m hoping this will improve my fuel economy on my tired old black 202 VK.
Any other tips?

They come as a reconditioned standard carby, so pretty much how they left the factory. Comes with the gaskets, so its a straight swap. The only adjustment needed is a tune, for the mixture and idle settings. It will work straight out of the box and very driveable, but its just to rich and will guzzle fuel, so its best to either tune it yourself or take it to someone to tune.
When doing it, replace your fuel and air filter at the same time if they are old, that way your not putting shit in your nice new carby.

[codfishface]

They come as a reconditioned standard carby, so pretty much how they left the factory. Comes with the gaskets, so its a straight swap. The only adjustment needed is a tune, for the mixture and idle settings. It will work straight out of the box and very driveable, but its just to rich and will guzzle fuel, so its best to either tune it yourself or take it to someone to tune.
When doing it, replace your fuel and air filter at the same time if they are old, that way your not putting shit in your nice new carby.

Thanks mate. Top advice as per usual!

Got to go, thanks again.