What Supplies Are Needed.

[VKCOMMO]

Hey

My cousin has offered to paint my VK as he paints quite a few cars, mainly his 4wd's.

I want to paint it the same as the pic below, a very glossy black

If i get the panel work up to standard, what will i need to get for him to paint the car (IE. How much paint, gloss etc...).

He already has the compressor, hoses and guns.

Here is the pic:



Thanks

[DANNY8]

If ur gonna go black you'll have to do a bloody good prep job or it will look crap. Painting is the easy part...

If u get the whole car ready to paint.....you'll need like 4L of primer, 4L of base (colour), 4L of clear, 4L of thinners (prolly more)....I'm no painter tho, that's just off the top of my head.

[bloodyricho]

the answer is 2PAC get 4ltrs of non reactive primer and 4ltrs of black one can of bog and NO DAMN SPOT PUTTY !!!! this stuff is shit and will crows feet

[codfishface]

Add up to $1000 for that sexy as Calais rear end. You seen the prices for those tail lights and panels on evilbay?

"Tell 'em they're dreamin',son."

[ari666]

lol, well for black, pretty much what everyone else said, but they didnt mention to budget around 12,000 dollars for sandpaper.

i hope you enjoy repetitive rubbing back and forth back and forth, wipe.... back and forth back and forth, wipe. ... f that man, do it white, save your self the ball-ache

[VKCOMMO]

lol, well for black, pretty much what everyone else said, but they didnt mention to budget around 12,000 dollars for sandpaper.

i hope you enjoy repetitive rubbing back and forth back and forth, wipe.... back and forth back and forth, wipe. ... f that man, do it white, save your self the ball-ache

Thanks for the help guys

ARI, i would do it white but i like the black.

that 12000$ on sandpaper, what if i get it sand/soda blasted???

[ari666]

nah, the problem with black is getting it flat. it means you get a block and rub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rubrub and rub and rub

lots of sandpaper, lots of sore-arm-ness. then you may rub through the paint so you have to blow over a few more coats, then its right back where you started with rubbing it.

[VKCOMMO]

get it flat???, sorry, i dont really understand... He is the painter, im the supplier...

[SL/ENUT]

Other words, not a single dent, blemish in the metal work. The slight dent, black will make it show up like dogs balls.

[SL/ENUT]

the answer is 2PAC get 4ltrs of non reactive primer and 4ltrs of black one can of bog and NO DAMN SPOT PUTTY !!!! this stuff is shit and will crows feet

Sounds like you are a dodgey back yarder.

You need etch primer, this is to seal the metal from elements, moisture, rust etc.
Then primer. Also cause its 2 pack, you do need 2 pack primer.

Spot putty does not cause crow's feet. Having old paint underneath causes that. Spot putty is great for low spots. Only problem with spot putty is, as ari666 said, rub and rub lots more.

With the paint, 4 litres is enough to do a VK Commodore easy. but i would be getting 6 litres, just to make sure. Also you need thinners, hardener's for 2 pack too.

Best thing to do is go to a proper automotive paint supply shop, tell em what you are doing and get a quote of the supplies

[ari666]

Sounds like you are a dodgey back yarder.

heh, im glad you said it first.

[VKCOMMO]

So i need to get the bodywork up to a very high standard, and then if the paint isnt even i have to rub it back and do it again??

Thanks

[jakbob]

If he knows anything about painting then surely he'll be able to tell you what you'll need?

[VKCOMMO]

If he knows anything about painting then surely he'll be able to tell you what you'll need?

he gave me a rough list by text, but he has never done a commodore before, only a few hilux's and a mitsu express ute

[ari666]

only a few hilux's and a mitsu express ute

well, i will bet you 5 grand and my left nut that the end result wont look anything like the pic you posted. it will look friggin horrible.

to get a finish like that, it doesnt matter how well you spray, its how much time you put into prep and how much rubbing back after it. not to mention the paint removal and repairs you do before hand.

a shopping list for a pristine result (based on what i have used for my impala so far):

8-10 litres of bog (30 bucks per 5 liters so 60)
4 litres fine filler (60)
8-12 litres of etch primer (120)
6 litres spray putty (someone called it spot filler) (100)
6-8 litres black - the more the better, but 6 should be ok if you puting the calais silver stripes on it and not doing a full spray on the sides. (cost depends on brand, aim at 150 for 4 litres so 300)

50 by 80 whizzy discs (60)
box (100) 120 whizzy discs (75)
50 by 400 whizzy discs (150)

a HUGE roll of 60 (45)
countless sheets of 1200 (50)
countless sheets of 2000 (50)

10 angle grinding wire wheels (250)

so based on my ROUGH numbers you have a cost of $1320 so far and you have not even booked a booth yet.

if you wanna go tight then you can buy some acrylic black paint for 150 bucks, a couple of tins of bog for 60 so crappy acrylic primer for 50 bucks and spray for your life. itll look crap and be a total waste of money.

better off going to bunnings and getting 10 cans of enamel spray can black for 5 bucks a can $50 bucks and just hitting it with that.

if you think my prices are too steep, think of this. you are essentially painting at least 14 panels seperatly, even though they may still be attached.
1. bonnet
2. lhf guard
3. rhf guard
4. nose cone
5. lower valance
6. windscreen scuttle panel
7. rhf door
8. lhf door
9. rhr door
10. lhr door
11. rh quarter panel
12. lh quarter panel
13. rear window scuttle
14. boot

a 'scim' of bog takes at a guess 500mls on a panel that you spent the last day metal finishing, and each panel that is metal finished takes 3 to 4 'scims' of bog cos you end up rubbing most of it off. 4 times 500mls is 2 litres. each panel takes around 2 ltrs of bog and you have 14 panels, so my bog estimate is pretty reserved cos' you should be budgeting for around 28litres of bog for panles that you have metal finished first. (i.e. not damaged, nice and straight, a few highs and lows)

then you need the paper to rub off 12 litres of bog, which isnt free.

oh and PS the wire wheels may seem expensive, but if you plan on spraying over that crappy acrylic blue that you car is painted atm, your ARE gonna get crows feet, cos the thinners will shrink up the old paint in 2 seconds.

i think i am done lecturing for the evening.

oh, p.s. the reason i have listed both etch primer and 2 part putty is cos when you are half way through metal finishing a panel and just cannot be FU..ed rubbing anymore, you need to spray it with something and etch primer is perfect. i would recomend 2 part putty for just before you spray your colour, and etch primer works as a nice bond between the metal and the putty.

[VKCOMMO]

Hey

Thanks for all that...

it must have taken you sa few years to write that.. lol

That sounds like a lot of work..

What less would be needed to spray bright white on the car and a group 3 kit???

Thanks

[ari666]

didnt take me that long to write cos i was pissed took a few goes to proof read it though.

dont get me wrong, black will be an amazing colour if you have taken the time to get it flat. and when i say 'flat' i dont mean all the dents in the panel either.

no matter how good your sprayer is there will always be peel on the paint. so its like looking at a calm lake with a breeze over it, little ripples all over the place. the only way to get rid of peel is to rub, then rub some more. its called 'blocking it back' so using a block and reallly fine paper, i used 400 to prep my roof, which came up really nice and shiny (white), but to get black flat you need to use something like 2000, and lots of it. one piece of paper will do around 25cm squared and you wanna do the whole car.

the problem is that black reflects everything and peel will be really obvious, so you need to take 3 times as long to get rid of it as you would white or silver, which are the best/easiest colours to spray and prep (and maintain).

and dont forget your other problem too, which is the fact that your car is blue, which means the engine bay is blue and the door jams are blue. which means twice as much paint. lol, to contradict myself, going black would be good cos' you can prep and spray the bay and door jams in just crappy gloss enamel or matte enamel.

im not saying dont do it, im just warning you against the amount of work it would be to get it looking good. i have seen loads of cars that people have sprayed themselves and you would swear it was done with a few cans. looks horrible.

seeing as you dont have your licence though, as long as you have a covered area (garage) itll b a really project for you to do IMO. as long as you have an interest in it and are sure you will see it through to the end. otherwise itll just be another ebay item "project commodore" have run out of room so must be sold... so i am just trying to make you aware of what you are in for.

a body kit would mean more to spray cos the kit itself would need to be colour matched. whereas the pic you posted had the calais plastic side moulds and the front rear bars are silver. dont forget all the door jams and engine bay too when you consider doing this. can you imagine you nice black VK, then you open the door and its blue?? yuk, or even still a nice white VK with a body kit and show off your engine in a blue engine bay? your better off selling it and buying a white one. changing shades of white is easier when the jams are white.

anyways food for thought. oh i forgot to throw thinners on my above list so:

general thinners/gun cleaner: 80 bucks for 40 litres
2 pack thinner: 25 bucks for 5 litres
reducer: 30 bucks for 5 litres

bag of rags is around 80 bucks i think
razor blades are about 20 bucks
masking tape will add up to at least 50 bucks
masking paper per roll is roughly 50 bucks

[VKCOMMO]

LOL

hmmm..

I wouldnt want it like the guy i bought it off either, a formula blue group A replica with cream jams and bay

Its now that i have to decide if i want this as a p plate car or a slow build V8.

I really do like that black and it would be amazing if it could be like that..

IDK really, i might make this a nice car with a bent 8 up front and a decent paint job, which means professional...

ill consult a few pro's and see what they want to do it all, so it will be a sexy job...

a mate offered to lend me a few K to buy a p plate car so i might take him up on it, buy a cheap VS/VR like i wanted when i lost interest in the VK...

it is food for thought..

Thanks heaps ARI, rep given...

[vk.jonno]

Add up to $1000 for that sexy as Calais rear end. You seen the prices for those tail lights and panels on evilbay?

"Tell 'em they're dreamin',son."

got my tail cails taigl lights for cheap as wreckers woo

[ari666]

Thanks heaps ARI

yeah, soz if it was a bit of a lecture.

[ari666]

i tried to get a couple of pics of peel for ya, but whenever i turn the flash off the camera it stops the hand wobbly-thing from working, so this is the best i could do:

this is a half blocked bit of paint with loads of peel,


and this is a blocked bit of paint. although it isnt shiny and looks dull, once i have cut it and polished it, itll shine up real nice.


now, i had to turn the flash off the camera and try and get the neon lights in the shed to reflect the peel. with black paint i wouldnt need to bother. its really obvious. and the blocked pic above although its a good enough job for white, if it was black, by the time i get to polishing it, i would see all the areas i missed and would prolly have to go back over it.

[ari666]

LOL

hmmm..

I wouldnt want it like the guy i bought it off either, a formula blue group A replica with cream jams and bay
...

thats an idea, why not do a mock up in formula blue? then you wouldnt need to worry so much about the door jams and bay and blue is pretty easy to get flat and lookin' shiny

[VKCOMMO]

thats an idea, why not do a mock up in formula blue? then you wouldnt need to worry so much about the door jams and bay and blue is pretty easy to get flat and lookin' shiny

i might, if i did it'd have to be group C though.

i see what you mean by the pics.

[VKCOMMO]

ARI, im thinking about blue now, impulse or voodoo?? what do you think?

[SL/ENUT]

Voodoo looks heaps better than Impulse