202 - 308
one of my biggest choices other the the colour of the paint on my car is the choice between a 202 or 308
ive heard storys of monster 202 slaying 308s. but you cannot beat the sound of a aussie 8.
Since the VC Commodore is one of or if not the most lightest commodore realeased i was think 202 would be the way to go ( power to weight ratio ) this 202 would be worked ofcourse.
If anyone has specs and price range of a worked 202 or videos of a worked 202 driving/dragging on the track or such id love to see them.
overall, Worked 202 ( power to weight ) or 308 ( brute force )
captain halfajob
i am intentionally ignoring this thread.
Yeah, I guess that's why they raced 202 Commodores at Bathurst.....Originally Posted by VCnewb
Or you could go Buick V6 and make more than 147.5kw@ the wheels.
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308.
Cheap and easy. Don't piss into the wind.
captain halfajob
lol, i am still yet to see a dyno sheet for an NA V6 with more than 145.
i dont pay attention to those guys that say "yeah i had it on the dyno and it made 160rwkw" i call BS.
pics or gtfo
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lol, Not with out a couple of turbo's anyway.
Its 3.8ltrs ffs and nothing special about the heads.
captain halfajob
im gonna put a stop to this V6 in a VK nonsense right now anyone who mentions it again should be banned
this guy has a f'ing SUPERCHARGED V6modified alloytech, whatever the f'k that means:
Wizeabe / Abe / VE Omega 2006
HP (188hp), kW (140.2kW)
Engine Type and Capacity: 3.6 Alloytec
Power Adders: K&N Air Filter, SS standard exhaust and Mace Manifold Insulators
Trans Type (M6, A4, etc): A4
Diff Ratio: 3.27
Wheel/Tyre size: 18"
Fuel Type: Caltex 98 Premium
Name Of Workshop: Gentech Automotive & Performance Centre
Date Dynoed: 02/12/2009
Note that this car hasn't been tuned yet.
OH WAIT!!! this guy has 146.. oh damn... no dyno sheetwhat a surprise
this is realistically what you will get:
TrEnNaVY / Trent / 02 VY S-pac
HP (168.9hp), kW (126rwkw)
Engine Type and Capacity: Ecotoc 3800
Power Adders: Redback Extractors 2 1/2" HighFlo Exhaust
Trans Type (M6, A4, etc):Getrag 5 Speed
Diff Ratio: 3.08:1
Wheel/Tyre size: 16"
Fuel Type: 98 Vortex
Name Of Workshop: Chip Control
Date Dynoed: 24/01/2010
dbarnes / darren / 96 VS V6
HP (153.2hp), kW (114.24kW)
Engine Type and Capacity: 3.8 V6 Ecotec
Power Adders: pacemaker extractors, 2.5" cat back exhaust
Trans Type (M6, A4, etc): A4
Diff Ratio: Standard
Wheel/Tyre size: 18"
Fuel Type: 91RON(Didnt know I was going to be dyno'ing when I filled up)
Name Of Workshop: Bad Influence motorsport
Date Dynoed: 15 Aug 2009.
Actually it is 161.35kws.
I thought you were ignoring this thread Ari?
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lol, the stink is that bad you can't ignore it.
You would be better off with 253 in an old commo, rather then go thru the effort of fitting a V6.
Even then, for 45c more you could have a 308.
captain halfajob
lets see if this works:
see? i can make bull sh1t dyno graphs too
Banned
A random dyno sheet?
Edit:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMFG i nearly died.
it's not so incredible that a good N/A 202 combo could humiliate a stock or even mild 308. My mate used to own a low 12 second N/A 202 LJ - it was an animal!
But it's going to cost you a lot more $$ to get the same performance as a stock 308.
So you have to weigh it up I guess. You said you like the V8 sound, and a 308 is going to give you considerably more bang for your $, so unless you have some sort of particular passion for the 202 and are prepared to spend the money to get the performance you want, then I think the logical answer is the 308.
Personally, if it was a little Torana I'd be all for a big cam, 202 with injection and YT alloy head - it would be a ball tearer. But a Commodore, I wouldn't bother - I'd just go with the V8.
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You would have to spend many many thousands to make a 202 go close to a mild 308 fitted to the same car. If you didnt, Holden wouldnt have made a V8.
Tells it like it is.
I know of at least one na 202 that would leave most 308's in the dust. Pitty it needs a rebuild every 1000 km. For the record it's fitted to a N class XU-1.
Reaper
Believe what you like, nothing would convince you blokes otherwise.
I just go around collecting random dyno sheets.
Seems to be effective, gets right up your noses obviously.
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Im sure if you built a 308 to the point that it needed to be rebuilt after every starting you could go pretty damned fast too.
EDIT:
Nah its just easier and CHEAPER to use a V8.
You'd have to be spastic to spend the money to use a V6 in an old commy.
captain halfajob
i used to be a MASSIVE turbo fan. drove a GTR 32 skyline, etc etc etc. a good friend of mine gave me a quote once that has stuck and that is:
and he was right.anything you do to your 6 i can do to my 8 with a better result
turbo your 6, ill turbo my 8, supercharge your 6 ill super my 8, solid cam you 6 and ill do that too. a different guy also said:
which doesnt mean that V8's will automatically win everything, and newer model efi 6's will prove that point time and again, what it does mean is "everything you do to your 6, i will do to my 8 with a better result"there is no subsitute for cubes
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There is no replacement for displacement.
Point here is you dont put in a V6 for a performance upgrade, if its horsys your chasing just go all out and buy a V8.
You put a V6 in to get a little more refinement and make your car nicer to drive as a daily then it was with a 202, ie cold mornings - flat spot central whilst on the choke.
captain halfajob
which you could also get from an efi 304...
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It depends on your budget, if your budget is low stick with the 202.The price of a recond 202 with cam ,proberly would cost the same of a stock worn out 308 conversion. 308,s aren't that quick stock and it would evently cost you lot more(when it blows up).
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What do you base that on?
A 202 with a cam STILL isn't the same as a 308. And 308s aren't really any more expensive then a 202. Parts are certainly easier to come by.
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