Ecotec or Alloytec into my VH ????

[Fusion]

Hi Guys . Been doing some thinking about putting a V6 ecotec or alloytec in to my VH . If i was to go with the alloytec engine and box . Can a cable still be run for the speedo and if not what can i do to run it ??? What K-frame would i have to run to make the engine fit ????

With the ecotec I'm thinking will be easier to install but heavier than the Alloytec .

any thoughts or advice would be awesome . Thanks

[chrisso 82]

Hey mate go for a V8 instead nothin beats the sound of a 308 at full noise!!!!!!!!!!!

[karlos]

Chuck a VT-VY L67 Supercharged V6 in their?

[Fusion]

How much boost can you safley run with the supercharger on the V6 ?

[karlos]

Mines at 10psi and have HSV R8 exhaust,CAI,4"intake,1.9rockers,shiftkit and LSD which is good for just under 160rwkw but the fun part is the 480nm of torque at basically the press of a pedal any gear.Im at high 5's to 100km/hr with the 10psi being the most an untuned motor can run,not in fear of damage but timing will be retarded dropping power off as more boost is run.Its a safety function really.These are a ballsy setup the L67 and are very underated/overlooked when it comes to conversions.They run 5-6psi(VS-VT) standard and are quicker than a VT SS 5ltr by comparrison to 100km/hr and just quicker over the quarter by a poofteenth.

Up to 80km/hr the VX 160rwkw/480nm is only just behind my 304rwkw/700+nm XR6T by 1/2 a car length because of the instant boost avaliable,I mean instant.These things light up like a whick and ill be using the VX at the Gazzanats its that much more fun to drive allround imo.As for the Alloytech Ive only been in a 190SV6 and wasnt at all impressed with the power on tap but the heavy car no doubt plays a big part in that.Good bang for buck performance mods are a little scarce for the Alloytech imo bar the exhaust,CAI tune route.Their is a nice manifold out though for them that provides 20hp apparently from CPR6 or something cant exactly remember.

The Ecotech route will be a piece of piss and very cheap in kept N/A but if you do go that way dont go for a spin in a L67 as you will be spewing lol.Complete L67(engine/trans/pcm/computer/charger)will set you back between $1500-$2500 depending on the buyer/kms.They arent that heavy either in comparrison.They make aircon delete kits ect so you can lighten it up even more if needed if trying to keep around the same factory weight.

I wish I had the means to contemplate something like this.Good luck whichever path you take.

[VBRED]

Mate

I have an L67 in my VB with 10PSI pulley upgrade 3in exhaust and CAI in a car that weighs 1240kg.
You can drive very ordianary or use the right pedal and it will hammer.
Mine is set up with a T5 manual.

Pete

[Fusion]

Thanks guys . I'll be looking into it over the next few days weighing up the costs and a few other things .

[pjdm1980]

With the amount of money you'll spend you may as well bite the bullet and through a LS1/2/3 motor into it, plenty of place do bolt up kits these days and plug in looms. And from standard form you get more power than a modified six even with a S/C and great full economy to boot I do and my car way as much as two titanic's compared to yours!!!!
Do yourself a favour and go test drive a new SS or the like and then test the SV6 you'll soon see what I mean.

[Nackerz]

or if you want a v6, through a sreies 2 buick motor in it....not a fan of the ecotec's....

but dont forget....Your never late in a 308

[karlos]

With the amount of money you'll spend you may as well bite the bullet and through a LS1/2/3 motor into it, plenty of place do bolt up kits these days and plug in looms. And from standard form you get more power than a modified six even with a S/C and great full economy to boot I do and my car way as much as two titanic's compared to yours!!!!
Do yourself a favour and go test drive a new SS or the like and then test the SV6 you'll soon see what I mean.

My VX with basic mods hammers stock/exhaust LS1/2's up to 100km/hr everyday of the week.You cant beat the torque these L67's makes allround the rpm.

A complete L67 conversion can be done for less than 3k on road,no way that can be acheived with a late model chev motor,a good motor alone go's for 2k+.

[DerekP]

but dont forget....Your never late in a 308

That's GOLD!!!

[pjdm1980]

My VX with basic mods hammers stock/exhaust LS1/2's up to 100km/hr everyday of the week.You cant beat the torque these L67's makes allround the rpm.

A complete L67 conversion can be done for less than 3k on road,no way that can be acheived with a late model chev motor,a good motor alone go's for 2k+.

I've got both a L67 and a LS2 and the L67 doesn't stand a chance even with $3000 spent on it, what you have to remember is the L67 is already 6-13 (+the time it took to get from the states) years old and with a the same mods to a gen motor it would flog any L67 and you'd be able to recoup some of that cash if you decided to sell it further down the track unlike a buick/eco/L67 conversion which aren't as desirable for a couple of grand more.

[180sc]

ls1/2 would be nice but not everyone can afford the 7-10 thousand dollars to do it right.

[karlos]

I've got both a L67 and a LS2 and the L67 doesn't stand a chance even with $3000 spent on it.

3grand spent on a L67 will desimate any stock/exhausted Ls1/2 where it counts any day of the week with the right driver.Stock VS stock,yes the Chev will win.Gen3 motors are getting on aswell,they are as old if not older than some L67's.I will admit the L67 in stock form aint anything exciting but will still wipe the floor with a VT SS series1 5ltr,this conversion will be going in a lighter vehicle but regaining some balls.

Have you been in a slightly tickled L67 bloke that say lights the tires hard at 60km/hr on kick-back(like mine),this only requires 160rwkw but the torque(470nm@90km/hr)coming out is the same of the Chevy putting out an extra 100rwkw and at less rpm.

When these engines are intercooled you gain around 350-400rwnm,yep,rear wheel bringing the total up to around 850rwnm in any gear/rpm.This can be had all up with the cost of a stock Ls1/2 conversion thats maybe done properly.

As has been said a Chev conversion(stock)will be @8-10k legally,the L67 can be done for under half that with less power but the all important imo heaps more torque.TTT,Torque Turns Tires lol.

[pjdm1980]

Have you been in a slightly tickled L67 bloke that say lights the tires hard at 60km/hr on kick-back(like mine),this only requires 160rwkw but the torque(470nm@90km/hr)coming out is the same of the Chevy putting out an extra 100rwkw and at less rpm.

Well I'm more than happy to be proven wrong throw it up on you tube!

[180sc]

our xu6 does a quicker 1/4 mile than a stock vx clubsport 14.28 vs 14.35 and all its got is 10psi pulley and cat back. that in a car thats 300kg or more lighter would certainly be fast id even say a mid 13 with the right tyres and gearing. oh and our dyno graph shows only 139.1rwkw (aprox 185rwhp) and 550nm of torque.

[karlos]

Well I'm more than happy to be proven wrong throw it up on you tube!

Ha ha,if its on YouTube it must be true lol.How about after the weekend I upload some footage of me drilling simialr Chevs in Go2Whoa and killing numerous sets of RE92's at the GazzaNationals.Top gear skids at 180km/hr FTW.

I have some footage on photobucket that shows 0-100km/hr in @6seconds,will that do?Its hard to "make"people beleive it because when the proof is put up the old its on a "downhill" road trick comes into play(not accusing you at all).This is when the roller rockers and HSV exhaust wasnt in and carefull throttle out of the hole.I give the car @140rwkw in this footage and on par with a stock LS1,def quicker if the first 20ft could have more than 1/3 throttle.The ticking is not a boost leak but the M90's boost pulsing the gauge due to rather quick come on.I also have a 2600TCE convertor in it now but with the sticky tires I now run really gets up and go's,im yet to even put on extractors lol.

[soop]

L67 has no hope....

Gotta love you mob who dellude yourselves into thinking as much.

Dollar for Dollar cubic capacity always wins..

[karlos]

L67 has no hope....

Gotta love you mob who dellude yourselves into thinking as much.

Dollar for Dollar cubic capacity always wins..

The V8 section is over there snoopy,educated experiences are required here.Reknaw.....

Dollar for dollar the cubes win hey,go make this amount of torque with you 6ltr at less the price.The conversion standard couldnt be even done for what this modified unopened L67 would cost in a early girl.These are facts not pot stirring comments.
http://www.youtube.com/user/astro310.../0/cxOZe5bemEo

[pjdm1980]

There is no way that was a standard L76 dude I'm not deaf that was running plenty boost so what mods did it have and how much have you spent?
Headers/Exhaust $1500
Inter cooler $2000 and the things your probably going to do that you could do to a 8 anyway for about the same, if not much more
Head work ?
Stall ?
Cam ?
Which goes back to my point that a cheap LS motor and box will end up in the same ball park with heaps more potential than a L67 could dream of!

[VBRED]

Just put a L67 in my early girl.

Facts are $3500 for the conversion (from Buick).

Engine $1500
3in Exhaust $1000
Modded ECU $300
10PSI pully $250
Power Steer hose, loom, plugs belts oil and stuff $450

Weighs 1240 kg compared to 1380 kg for V8.

Estimated power 185kw Tourque 450nm

The original query was ecotec or alloytec?

The ecotec would be a far easier and less costly build.

[karlos]

There is no way that was a standard L76 dude I'm not deaf that was running plenty boost so what mods did it have and how much have you spent?
Headers/Exhaust $1500
Inter cooler $2000 and the things your probably going to do that you could do to a 8 anyway for about the same, if not much more
Head work ?
Stall ?
Cam ?
Which goes back to my point that a cheap LS motor and box will end up in the same ball park with heaps more potential than a L67 could dream of!

Re read my post.The car had no roller rocker or exhaust either.The mods their are 10psi pulley,CAI,colder thermostat,colder plugs,untuned,LSD all on a stock 220,000km motor.

To really satisfy you Im willing to let someone you know from SA come for a ride in my car,heck they can have a drive and feel the grunt for themselves.

By the way,a standard L67 makes nearly as much wine noise as mine when sporting the same intake setup.Like I said in my earlier post that you neglected to answer have you been in a slightly tickled,untuned and uncooled L67?

I have plenty runs on the board in many walks mate so I have no need to lie in this childs play field.Standard L67 stall is a generous 2600,I have the same stall speed but in TCE form making the convertor a little looser.I run a standard cam,heads,fuel system and no intercooling.Im serious about my above offer aswell.

Thankyou VBRED.

[pjdm1980]

Re read my post.The car had no roller rocker or exhaust either.The mods their are 10psi pulley,CAI,colder thermostat,colder plugs,untuned,LSD all on a stock 220,000km motor.

Those are the exact same mods as my L67, Klm's and it ain't a that loud pull the other one!
I've owned one for the last five years.

[Nackerz]

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[Nackerz]

Thats straight of the link underneath the video.

Re read my post.The car had no roller rocker or exhaust either.The mods their are 10psi pulley,CAI,colder thermostat,colder plugs,untuned,LSD all on a stock 220,000km motor.

HAHA who you trying to fool mate?