Vp K Frame into vk? Front width?

[GunnVK]

Hi all, talking to a mate and told him I had a VP front assembly (k frame, brakes, ps rack etc) to go in my VK. Now I'm gonna use the existing front shocks & lower control arms out of my vk cause I know they are in good nic, bushings etc. Now he said that doing it this way will make the front track wider? Is this the case?

Thanks!

[VK SL 3800]

Nope, front track is the same vr/vs is wider.

[GunnVK]

Legend! Thanks!

[pjdm1980]

I believe that VP had a wider track.

[VN_Luke]

Same same...

[NPreston]

VR-VS has wider track but K frames are the same.
I have a VS K frame in mine with the rest of it VC.
The difference is probably the length of the control arms.

[GunnVK]

So if i put the vp k frame in with the vk arms will my track be wider?

[VK SL 3800]

No, look it up a VP is 1451mm same as a VK, i have the whole VP front end in mine and its the same, VR/VS k frames are the same as earlier but the struts are different and they also use a separate wheel hub compared to the disc/bearing assemblies used in earlier models.

[GunnVK]

Alrighty thanks!

[pjdm1980]

Holden Commodore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Holden VN Commodore of 1988 and subsequent second generation models took their bodywork from the larger Opel Senator B and new Opel Omega A. However, this time, the floor plan was widened and stretched; now matching the rival Ford Falcon for size. Continuing financial woes at Holden meant the wider VN body was underpinned by narrow, carry-over VL chassis components in a bid to save development costs.[69] In the VN and succeeding models, the Commodore Berlina became known simply as the Berlina.[70] The range expanded in 1990 to include a utility variant, given the model designation VG. This was built on a longer-wheelbase platform that it shared with the station wagon and luxury VQ Statesman limousine released earlier in the year.[71] During this time, the rival Ford EA Falcon was plagued with initial quality issues which tarnished its reputation.[72] Buyers embraced the VN Commodore, helping Holden to recover and post an operating profit of A$157.3 million for 1989. The team at Wheels magazine awarded the VN Car of the Year in 1988: the second Commodore model to receive this award.[71]



The VP update of 1991 featured cosmetic changes and mechanical however most were not visible unless you were to pull the motor down; and a very similar revised 3.8 litre V6 and 5.0 litre V8 engines from the VN were carried over. The 2.0 litre straight-four engine previously available in New Zealand was discontinued.[78] Exterior cosmetic changes included a translucent acrylic grille on the base level Executive[79] and Berlina, with a colour-coded grille for the S and SS, and a chrome grille for Calais. Updated tail lights and boot garnishes were also a part of the changes, which were different for each model, with the Berlina having grey stripes and the Calais chrome stripes.[citation needed] Semi-trailing arm independent rear suspension became standard on the Calais and SS, but was made an option on lower-end models in lieu of the live rear axle, improving ride and handling.[78]

A new wider front track was introduced to address issues with the previous carried-over VL chassis components.[80] In August 1992, anti-lock brakes were introduced as an option on the Calais and SS trim levels, later becoming optional on all Series II variants. This January 1993 update also included a colour-coded grille for the Executive and alloy wheels for the Commodore S.[79]

Toyota's pattern of updating their Lexcen model tended to follow Commodore’s model cycle. The T2 (VP) Lexcen from 1991 pioneered new specification designations: CSi, VXi and Newport. All future updates (T3 (VR), T4 (VS) and T5 (VS II) Lexcens) made use of the new naming system until 1997, when the badge engineering scheme ceased. To give further differentiation to the Lexcen from the Commodore, the Lexcens from the VP model onwards had unique front-end styling treatments.

[GunnVK]

Thanks for that info, would it be just the lower control arms that are longer? I have the old front struts and arms from my vk still and the vp assembly just sitting in the garage, I'll put the vk struts and arms against it tonight to compare sizes.

[Darren_L]

all you need to know is that the k-frame from VB-VS are the same width, any track changes were done through the control arms/hubs
I have a VS k-frame in my VH, using the VH control arms. It was a straight fit (apart from the steering rack) Nothing changed in regards to track measurement

[VK SL 3800]

Well i measured mine just to be sure and the lower control arms were identical to the VK ones, you may find it was upper spec models with IRS that had the wider front track- 1485mm.
From the VP owners manual (We used to have a lexcen hence model names):

[Cheap6]

Well i measured mine just to be sure and the lower control arms were identical to the VK ones, you may find it was upper spec models with IRS that had the wider front track- 1485mm.

Yep, only IRS VP and VQ. The front suspension parts are the same though (as VB-VP live axle, VN-VP having the strut link tabs), with the wider track achieved through different wheel offset.