Vt Supercharged 6 into Vk

[MarksVe]

Hi Guys,

I know theres a whole thread on converting Vks to V6's but they mainly talk about Vn Engines.
Was just wondering what i need to do to drop a v6 Supercharged engine out of a Vt into my Vk as i hav ethe chance to get a write off car which would mean i would have a whole car as a donor.
What can/cant be put into the vk easily?

fairly new at this so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[VK SL 3800]

Its all basically the same as a VN engine except the fuel pump and wiring.

Refer:
Red vb project
my vh wagooon
And im midway doing the same conversion, halfway through building the engine. I have a VP V6 and a Supercharged engine will bolt in directly in place of it.

*awaits ARI's reply*

[MarksVe]

ok cool thanks that gives me somewhere to start looking.
for the K frame will the VT one bolt in or will i have to get a modified one made up? if so can anyone give me some advice on where to go?
Also im obviously going to need to get it engineered how do i go about finding one im in the eastern suburbs of melbourne.

sorry for all the Qs very new to this.

thanks
mark

[VBRED]

The VT K frame is too wide. You need a VN to VS V6 K frame.
Exhaust use a VS exhaust or VS extractors but might need minor modifications.
There is a list on the Vic Roads Website. I used Sanjay Bahide.
You will need to upgrade the brakes as well.
Read the threads above. It is not hard but there is quiet a lot involved and it takes time.
Seems a pity to destroy a VT if in reasonable condition.
I am in SE Melbourne. I am happy to help out a fellow enthusiast.

[MarksVe]

Thanks VBRED for the info will definitely be picking your brain in the near future for some more advice.
The VT is a total write off however which is why my mate is getting rid of it.
As for the Brakes i beleive you can upgrade the Vk using Vt brakes if i read correctly on another thread???

Thanks
Mark

[180sc]

The biggest problem using vt stuff is the fact the vt use,s bcm for temp gauge and also trans bellhouing or extractors.

Temp gauge problem is a simple drill and tap another hole next to existing temp sender and ad another to run the gauge.

Bell housing is like this, VT extractors wont fit in the early girl as a vt has wider chassis rails so the vt extractors extend further from the block which allows the vt to run the full 360 degree bell housing.
Now if you use vs extractors like i did in my old wagon they will fit between the rails nicely but will hit the bellhousing. i simply cut a small section off the bell housing to allow it to fit but it is not the ideal fix.

Other wise it is pretty straight forward conversion, use vn-vs k frame with vn steering rack and vl intermediate shaft and engine drops straight in. gear box cross member a mate made me a custom one but you can buy them from castlemaine rod shop or castle auto electric and also v6 conversions.
I used a vs front half tailshaft and vl rear half and it bolted up nicely to the vl diff i had installed but if you vk has the borgwarner diff then use that and get some 28 pline axles for it as you will need them..
For brakes there is a couple of ways to do it: use all the vt gear with adapter hubs on the front and use vb-vs disc rear setup and then you can either use vs booster with vt master or buy the modified vt booster.

Buying these custom parts would depend on your level of fabrication skill but the cross member isnt hard to make if you can weld but the booster mod can be a bit of a pain to get right if you have never done it before.

hope any off this is of help.
cheers, trev.

[MarksVe]

hy trev

thanks for the info much appreciated you guys have been alot of help and once i get stuck into will definitely be asking some more questions.

also is there anything else worth pinching off the vt that can be used on the vk while im at it as i will have the complete car there at my disposal
thanks

mark

[VK SL 3800]

I would take:

Engine and trans and computer
Front Calipers and discs
Master Cylinder

That's about all that comes to mind.
There wasn't a lot i could use from the VT XU6 i bought.

[MarksVe]

NOT HAPPY!!!!!

just spoke with an engineer apparently a new law from vic roads has made it illegal to put the L67 into a VK!!

so unfortunately my conversion will not be going ahead.

thanks for all the help though guys.

mark

[VK SL 3800]

err, why? its smaller then the 5litre they came out with.

See another engineer.

[180sc]

i would tend to agree with vk sl 3800 go to different engineer.

[ari666]

+3 to that

[weston]

Maybe try givin V6 Conversions a call i think they are in Sydney somewhere they also have an email address see what they say as thats the sort of thing they do all the time.

[NPreston]

V6 conversions are in Moree north western NSW.

[MarksVe]

Yeah ill give another engineer a call however it was Sanjay Bahide i emailed who VBred said he used.
Apparently its just a new law brought in by Vicroads preventing it. -"Unfortunately the L67 Supercharged motor exceeds the limit set by VicRoads new rules (VSB14) based on the weight of the car. Hence I won't be able to engineer this conversion."

I hope you guys are right as would love to still do this conversion.

Mark

[Zac]

Here is a link to VSB14:

Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB 14)

Halfway down the page is the document NCOP3 Section LA Engine.

Your engineer may be referring to table LA1 on page 11, which indicates that the maximum engine capacity (in cc) for a supercharged engine for a vehicle originally greater than 1100kg is the original mass (in kg) x 3.0.

For a 3.8l supercharged engine, the car's mass would need to be greater than 1266kg. My VK (with a V8 in it) is registered as being 1350kg, so in theory, the 3.8 should be fine in your car (the next page talks about the vehicle mass being based on the heaviest sedan model sold in Aus).

Either way, it's still worthwhile trying another engineer...

[VBRED]

NOT HAPPY!!!!!

just spoke with an engineer apparently a new law from vic roads has made it illegal to put the L67 into a VK!!

so unfortunately my conversion will not be going ahead.

thanks for all the help though guys.

mark

Mate

My VB is VIC Roads registered with a super six. An SL/e is about 1380kg x 3 = 4140. Should romp in. Your drive train and brakes will need upgrading. It is not just a matter of dumping a super six in.

Pete.