conversion to a 308

[vh ~ very horny]

ok heres the thing, iv saved up some cash and i want a 308 in my vh.

firstly, i was hopeing that somebody could give me an idea of a price range for a recon 308?

now i was wondering if anybody could tell me of some possible complications? ( Its on Gas, if that matters much)
( will NOT be converting myself )
just any idea's/suggestions that are important?

ps- anyone down in SA that could recomend a decent place to do a conversion would help me out heeps.

[Goon]

Just a tip, aslong as the motor is the same age as the car or older it should be good, you wouldnt have a chance of putting in a red 308 due to emissions laws.

Price can be anything for a motor mate, just depends what u come across.

[vh ~ very horny]

dude im clueless, whats a red 308? im here to lern lol

[JD]

the "red" 308 was out of a vb commodore and had less emission controls than what the blue ( vc and vh ) or black ( vk ) 308's had.

and also the red, blue and black motors were named those names because of the clour of their engine blocks.

[Goon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_...e#VB_Commodore

This link will give u engine info etc, just keep scrolling down & look to the right

[vh ~ very horny]

cheers, so i can put in any blue 308 from a vc or a vh. i think ive gotcha, even if idont ill pick it up in the progress.
guess thats it.

thanks

[phat_com]

You can put a blue or black 308 in you vh. You could even put a 304 out of a vn onwards in your vh but would cost more to put in and for the motor.
or if you are doing it for more power why not put a V6 from a vn, vp, vr in? ahs something like 3 kw less power than a 308 and is heaps lighter? just something to thing about
www.v6vk.tk (< a guy did a v6 conversion in his vk)

[Cane_It]

if your gonna have a reco motor make sure ALL the running in is done on petrol, NO exceptions. once thats done go for your life on gas...

[vh ~ very horny]

You can put a blue or black 308 in you vh. You could even put a 304 out of a vn onwards in your vh but would cost more to put in and for the motor.
or if you are doing it for more power why not put a V6 from a vn, vp, vr in? ahs something like 3 kw less power than a 308 and is heaps lighter? just something to thing about
www.v6vk.tk (< a guy did a v6 conversion in his vk)

acctualy i did just want a 308, just enjoy the big 8's more.

but i do enjoy power, and a nice 6 would do the job from a vn.. hmm youve got me thinking, thanks man.

in the end i guess it will come down to cost...but still probably the 308

and jsut to make sure, a black 308 fro ma vk "should" fit in no problame right? just concerned because the car's older then the engine.

[JD]

should fit mate

[SthEastCustoms]

you can put a red 308 into a vk the only thing is it has to run straight gas...ive just put a red into my vk....i payd 2700 for a stage 2 rebuild

[vh ~ very horny]

you can put a red 308 into a vk the only thing is it has to run straight gas...ive just put a red into my vk....i payd 2700 for a stage 2 rebuild

putting a blue or black into my VH mate, not a vk.

and why the straight gas? the emmisions laws or whatnot?

[SthEastCustoms]

putting a blue or black into my VH mate, not a vk.

and why the straight gas? the emmisions laws or whatnot?

vh vl vk vb vc dont matter, yeh epa emmisions law...you have to put a vh 308 or anything after wb unless u run something like the hj 308 on gas

[aressted3x]

acctualy i did just want a 308, just enjoy the big 8's more.

but i do enjoy power, and a nice 6 would do the job from a vn.. hmm youve got me thinking, thanks man.

in the end i guess it will come down to cost...but still probably the 308

and jsut to make sure, a black 308 fro ma vk "should" fit in no problame right? just concerned because the car's older then the engine.

either way your going to have to change your whole front end suspension and crossmember, brakes + master cyl, gearbox, and if your going to go manual a longer tailshaft, and not to mention your diff too. it would be cheaper to buy a VK with a V8 in it already and do it up with the money that you have saved and sell the 6cyl VK. you will end up with more cash in your pocket and less of a headache, took me a month to convert my vc 6 - 8, and i made the mistake of going for a supra5speed, good if you want turbo, shit if youv got a v8

[aressted3x]

you can put a red 308 into a vk the only thing is it has to run straight gas...ive just put a red into my vk....i payd 2700 for a stage 2 rebuild

emmision laws have changed, you cant put an engine that was pre to the manufacturing date of the car, you can only have same era and above.

[aressted3x]

you can put a red 308 into a vk the only thing is it has to run straight gas...ive just put a red into my vk....i payd 2700 for a stage 2 rebuild

emmision laws have changed, you cant put an engine that was pre to the manufacturing date of the car, you can only have an engine in the car of the same era or above.

[vh ~ very horny]

emmision laws have changed, you cant put an engine that was pre to the manufacturing date of the car, you can only have an engine in the car of the same era or above.

new emmisions laws? sh!t.

so i cant put a engine pre date of the car? so no oldschool Hq engine will be legal...

realy wanted to do up my vh, prefer the look of it over a vk anyday, has a certan style to it. but thanks for the info.

most probably will just buy a vk or a berlina v8, less hassle.

[vkberlina]

either way your going to have to change your whole front end suspension and crossmember, brakes + master cyl, gearbox, and if your going to go manual a longer tailshaft, and not to mention your diff too. it would be cheaper to buy a VK with a V8 in it already and do it up with the money that you have saved and sell the 6cyl VK. you will end up with more cash in your pocket and less of a headache, took me a month to convert my vc 6 - 8, and i made the mistake of going for a supra5speed, good if you want turbo, shit if youv got a v8

It is really amazing the amount of people out there that dont have a clue about a 6 to V8 conversion. It isnt as be a job as is being made out to be.

First of all Myth #1: Change your whole front suspension.
FACT - The only difference is the springs between a 6 & 8, the 8cyl has heavier duty springs due tot he extra weight of the V8.

Myth #2: Change your cross member.
I love this one, the cross member is the same between 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 all identical. You do need to run the appropriate engine mounts for the engine your installing otherwise its bolt straight in.
The only reason to change the crossmember is if you decide to run a later model power steering rack VL+ otherwise your crossmember is just fine.

Brakes: Good idea to upgrade these, the V8s came with a disc brake diff, some still had the same size fronts as the 6cyl but its advised to go for bigger brakes.

Tailshaft: As the engine is positioned slightly different your going to need to replace/or modify the tailshaft, its not a big deal and can easily be done.

Gearbox mounting: If your going for either a trimatic or Aussie 4 speed then the rear gearbox cross member will be just fine. Other gearboxes my require a fabricated or modified crossmember. HDT sell a nice gearbox cross member that bolts up to 4 bolt holes making it very solid, im running on on my VK.

As for choosing a gearbox, what kills gearboxes is too much torque. So pick a gearbox that will suit the amount of torque for the engine your running.
This has all been covered before.

cheers
Scott

[SL/ENUT]

Also there is no need to change the engine crossmember, all VB-VKs are the same. The suspension, only need thicker springs, again all the shock incerts are the same VB-VK.
Brakes, only 4 wheel discs. Some say you have to have a 1 inch master cylinder, well any factory V8 VB-VK, some had the 1 inch, some even had 15/16 master cylinder.
As for tailshaft lengths, pretty sure there isn't any difference, only the 5 litre ones are thicker.

EDIT damn you Scott, you beat me to it!!

[aressted3x]

It is really amazing the amount of people out there that dont have a clue about a 6 to V8 conversion. It isnt as be a job as is being made out to be.

First of all Myth #1: Change your whole front suspension.
FACT - The only difference is the springs between a 6 & 8, the 8cyl has heavier duty springs due tot he extra weight of the V8.

Myth #2: Change your cross member.
I love this one, the cross member is the same between 4cyl, 6cyl & V8 all identical. You do need to run the appropriate engine mounts for the engine your installing otherwise its bolt straight in.
The only reason to change the crossmember is if you decide to run a later model power steering rack VL+ otherwise your crossmember is just fine.

Brakes: Good idea to upgrade these, the V8s came with a disc brake diff, some still had the same size fronts as the 6cyl but its advised to go for bigger brakes.

Tailshaft: As the engine is positioned slightly different your going to need to replace/or modify the tailshaft, its not a big deal and can easily be done.

Gearbox mounting: If your going for either a trimatic or Aussie 4 speed then the rear gearbox cross member will be just fine. Other gearboxes my require a fabricated or modified crossmember. HDT sell a nice gearbox cross member that bolts up to 4 bolt holes making it very solid, im running on on my VK.

As for choosing a gearbox, what kills gearboxes is too much torque. So pick a gearbox that will suit the amount of torque for the engine your running.
This has all been covered before.

cheers
Scott

just to add to this, there is a key difference when changing front ernd cross member, bolt patterns are the same, design in reagard to stearing and suspension is all fine, however the angle of elevation and where the motor sits is different, the v8s can bolt up to the 6 cyl cross member, but you will be replacing engine mounts. the v8's need to have the right elevation towards where the motor leans down on the firewall.