Car respray?

[MG's VH Wag]

Hi all, i am going to have a go at respraying my car, i just have a few questions. the paint is in alright condition at the moment, theres no fading etc, i need to spray it cause i have patched up a few dints etc.

1. Do i need to sand back the whole car to bare metal, then primer it and respray? or can i just sand it a bit then respray?

2. What is the easiest method of stripping the paint off?

3. Should i do the whole car at once or panel by panel?

i'm not going to do it very soon i just want to take my time and get it all prepared so i can do a half decent job.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

[Tom_1569]

1. If the paint is fine then sand, primer and respray, if you have a soft acrylic (VN's had this) or if you wet it and you can rub paint off with your hand, then go bare metal if you can.

2. Really depends on the paint, if its the original paint you may get away with a sand and the od use of strippers and wire brush. Im looking at using an air sander with some disc (sorry dont no the name) of it.

3. Thats really up to you, personelly if your doing it at home and using a little compressor then do panel by panel. We are painting our VN and are hoping to have it done within 3 months of our spare time, as well as its being driven daily, so we only take it off the road for a day or two at a time. We are doing panel by panel. Each removeable panel will be removed for painting to avoid over spray, and its easier to work with ie. you can take the door off and sit it on a bench to safe your back.

Where are you located, if your in vic i highly recommend speaking to Sav at Pakeham paints, he has helped us out so much, as well as gave us good prices on the paint.

Good luck with the painting.

[Nev25]

This link below may be of some help to you I know he is doing a morris but the principal is the same

Morris Down Under Forum :: View topic - Painting acrylic

[MG's VH Wag]

1. If the paint is fine then sand, primer and respray, if you have a soft acrylic (VN's had this) or if you wet it and you can rub paint off with your hand, then go bare metal if you can.

2. Really depends on the paint, if its the original paint you may get away with a sand and the od use of strippers and wire brush. Im looking at using an air sander with some disc (sorry dont no the name) of it.

3. Thats really up to you, personelly if your doing it at home and using a little compressor then do panel by panel. We are painting our VN and are hoping to have it done within 3 months of our spare time, as well as its being driven daily, so we only take it off the road for a day or two at a time. We are doing panel by panel. Each removeable panel will be removed for painting to avoid over spray, and its easier to work with ie. you can take the door off and sit it on a bench to safe your back.

Where are you located, if your in vic i highly recommend speaking to Sav at Pakeham paints, he has helped us out so much, as well as gave us good prices on the paint.

Good luck with the painting.

i think i know what wheel you are talkin about, i'll go to a shop and see if i can find one that will fit to an angle grinder.

[Tom_1569]

i think i know what wheel you are talkin about, i'll go to a shop and see if i can find one that will fit to an angle grinder.

Yep you can get them for the drill, and grinder aswell. BUT the air grinder ones cause less heat so theirfor are harder to warp metal. The drill, angle grinder ones are designed for heavier work, whereas the air one is designed for light work such as stripping paint. Aswell as the air grinder easier to manouver. If you find out their name let me know, caus i feel silly going in and asking for a flappy disk thing lol.

[Tom_1569]

Their called a "flap" disk, went searching today

[tigervh]

Paint stripper and Scotch Brite strip'n'clean disks fitted to a sander polisher is the most effective method I have found for stripping at home.

If the paint is ok just rub it back with wet and dry and spray with primer surfacer.

[vee ka]

if you are painting it in a straight colour ( ie: white etc ) then you can paint panel by panel. if you are doing a metallic you should do the whole car at once otherwise each panel will be different.

[MG's VH Wag]

thanks 4 the help guys i will keep everyone posted when i start painting it.

[MG's VH Wag]

Just another question, when respraying can i use a small air compressor like 30-45litres, like they sell at bunnings and super cheap if i am spraying panel by panel? or do i need a larger one?

Cheers

[Tom_1569]

Mate, we are using a 99 dollar super cheap one, i think its tank is 20 litres (i'd have to check but not tonight) and its a 2hp. We are doing panel by panel.
Painting bonnet (thats as far as we have got):
Primer, was fine never went below the required pressure of the gun once, could do a complete coat no problems. Paint and clear coat seemed to use more air. Just keep an eye on the pressure (we have a pressure gauge and a regulator gauge) and if it drops below the regulator, or the regulator drops, have a quick break (like 20-30 secs) and keep going. Of course it would be easier with a bigger one, but i know our budget does accomodate for one just yet, we are using wat we already have. Also i have since learnt have plenty of ventilation and a good respirator, getting stoned off paint fumes is not fun

[MG's VH Wag]

thanks mate. I was just wondering about the pressure but it seems to be alright. Also how can i find out the colour (code) that is already on my car so i can get the exact same?

[Tom_1569]

thanks mate. I was just wondering about the pressure but it seems to be alright. Also how can i find out the colour (code) that is already on my car so i can get the exact same?

I've attached a pic of what tag your looking for (should be on passenger strut tower). On that their is a paint code, take that to any good auto paint shop and they should be able to match it.

[MG's VH Wag]

Thanks heaps for your help mate. How much would i expect to pay for enough paint to do the whole car?

[Tom_1569]

Thanks heaps for your help mate. How much would i expect to pay for enough paint to do the whole car?

Depends if you plan on using 2 pac or acrylic, acrylic is alot easier to spray and easier to fix up if you go wrong.
4 litres is recommended to do a whole car, it would depend on how extensive you are doing. If your pulling the shell to pieces and doing every inch of the car you will need alot more, but id say to do every panel and maybe even the engine bay 4 litres should be fine. Dont paint areas you dont need to, ie the door frames (on the shell) and inside doors shouldnt need painting, maybe just a cut n polish at the most.

Prices for match acrylic as follows:
4 litres paint, 4 litre primer, 4 litre clear,
20 litre thinners, 1 litre prepsol, 1 litre metal conditioner and all up it cost $375.

The actual paint was itself was 165 for 4 litres.

[MG's VH Wag]

Was that like the genuine holden paint or just same colour but different brand?

[Tom_1569]

Was that like the genuine holden paint or just same colour but different brand?

Just picked it up from an auto paint shop. Pakeham paints in Vic to be precise, and they have great service and competitive prices ( I swear im not plugging :P)

[Tom_1569]

Ok my tank is 21 litres and its a 2hp compressor. We are only using it caus we already have it, if your buying one anyway, maybe step up a bit, they come in handy for heaps of stuff.
I've attached some photos of how ours turned out, our preparation wasnt the best caus this is only the inside of the bonnet thats covered by a mat anyway.

[MG's VH Wag]

Thanks for the tips mate. that bonnet is looking good.

[Goon]

Do the respray out of the wind if u can, eg in a shed.. make sure u can breath or take breakes between sprays, casue the fumes r bad. acrylic is cheap for a respray.. make sure u have the right gun to, the one with the bottle on top.

[MG's VH Wag]

Picked up a 40lt compressor for just under $150 from supercheap, so i should start the spraying within the next week or so, just need to get everything i need.

[Tom_1569]

Good luck with your spraying, we havent done any more for ages still have a half painted bonnet lol, been to cold, not sure where you are but if your in vic, maybe wait to the weather warms up a bit. and POST PICS

[MG's VH Wag]

Yeah i am in Vic so yeah i'll wait till it warms up a bit, im doing it in my shed and it gets very cold out there so i dont want to be cold either lol. Also do i need the spray gun with the bottle on top?

[Tom_1569]

Yes definitly get a gravity feed gun, try and get one that you can adjust the angle of the pot, you will see why this is important when you get spraying, but for istances say your spraying your doors and roof, that is a 90 degree difference and you need to change the angle of the pot so its still gravity fed.
I purchased this pack, you get a gravity fed and a syphon one, im sure the syphon one will come in handy some where, and the gravity fed is excellent for painting so far.
Tools, Spanners, Clearance, Bargain, quality, Sockets, Powertools | Transquip Direct
Someone with more painting experience may be able to recommend a better gun, as this is our first time usaing a gravity fed, but i do know that one is an easy to use gun. Also ad a swivel joint on the end, makes it alot easier when painting to keep the hose out of the way.

[MG's VH Wag]

Thanks mate, i have a syphon one already. What could i use that for?