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    So theres a test and tune going on at willobank this arvo and i have decided to give the VH a run haha...its a stock 202(appart from weber carby and no emisions) so hoping for 18s flat! i think i read somewhere that stock vh's run 18.2 1/4 so aiming to get round that.

    anyways i just wanna see what it will get before i take it off the road and start rebuilding! i went last wednesday and saw some barina's and other crapboxes so might be able to beat some1 lol

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    My guess would be around high 18's, depending on your driving skill to.
    Thats my guess because that car is old and would of lost alot of its power and its worn, but the weber and maybe having no emmisions so bring it back up a bit.
    Get your re-action time if you can to, then you can substitute that from the cars time caus thats driver error haha.
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    haha yer i took it for a quick drive before went alright. connected the vacuum advance line to the manifold instead of the carby runs smoother now. its going pretty good today lol going to add some octane booster and might advance the timing, anything i can do to get an 18 flat haha

    i'll let you know how i go

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    lol my mates ke20 corrolla used to run 17s flat maggot so the vh should at least pull 18s lol
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    i took my vk wagon to the drags last year. stock 202. i think some of the emissions might be disconnected, and i might have got rid of the EST. (cant' remember cos i was going to get a vk sedan going and started on the motor but ended up with the wagon for free.) It had been sitting under a tree for a year or so and the motor was pretty tired.

    did an 18.79 and was the slowest car on the night.
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    Default sub 17 sec stock 202

    Results are in!...very happy with how it went! only did 2 runs, first run got an 18.225 @ 118.06 km/h which surprised me as it had a huge hesitation when i changed from 2nd to 3rd...this may have been cuz they had to clean oil off the track just before my run so i was waiting for 20 odd minutes idling to keep it warm.

    second run much better no hesitation and i held 2nd to bout 100km/h and got a 17.781 @ 123.67 km/h pretty good for a standard 202! i dont even have extractors and the dizzy is slightly rooted. funny thing was my second run i was up against an 11 second torana lol

    i think i was still the slowest on the night, wish i went wednesday night cuz there were some barina's and some 20 sec cars lol.

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    o and reaction times where horrible as this was my first time and didnt wanna stuff it up lol bout .9 reaction

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    Thats not bad at all for the old 202. If you subtract your reaction time its in the 16's which is bloody good. Im interested to see what my VK will run, i recon id be close to 20's lol.
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    i thought your e.t didn't include reaction time?? like it starts timing when u start moving not when the light is green, cuz some of the turbo guys sit there on green for a few seconds spooling it up to where they want then go, and im pretty sure they still get quick times?? im bout 88.6% sure on this lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH commodore View Post
    i thought your e.t didn't include reaction time?? like it starts timing when u start moving not when the light is green, cuz some of the turbo guys sit there on green for a few seconds spooling it up to where they want then go, and im pretty sure they still get quick times?? im bout 88.6% sure on this lol
    Oh your probly right, I havent been to the drags in many years, and when i did it was only to a local strip which wasnt far from using a stop watch lol.
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    haha nice. also i have a question for whoever knows...with reaction time, is .500 perfect? or can u get down to .000 cuz i remember watching top fuelers (sp?) and i kept seeing .556 or something and saying how it was good...

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    Yeah the timer start once you cross the beam, reaction has nothing to do with it. On some of my better times I've just sat on the line for a couple seconds gettting the stall just right before I launch . The legal reaction time depends on the lights and track. Some tracks are .400 some are .500. It's .400 here and anything slower than .550 will see you loose a bracket race once you are in the pointy end of the competition. In your VH will you need to launch it before the last yellow light to see a .400-.500 reaction time, maybe near the end of the second last yellow, you'll need to do some tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH commodore View Post
    wish i went wednesday night cuz there were some barina's and some 20 sec cars lol.
    Be very wary of Barina's bearing SRI badges, you may save yourself some serious embarisment.

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    yep cool thats what i thought...and yer i just gunned it the moment i saw green lol, i was thinking i should have planted it before the green but just went to see what it would do in stock form!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigervh View Post
    Be very wary of Barina's bearing SRI badges, you may save yourself some serious embarisment.
    haha i remember that...i dont think i'll run it again before the new engine combo goes in...hows yours go with the injected 5L cuz thats what im doing...i want it to be quick and wanna spend a fair bit on it, not sure whether to stroke it, supercharge it or???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH commodore View Post
    haha i remember that...i dont think i'll run it again before the new engine combo goes in...hows yours go with the injected 5L cuz thats what im doing...
    The older Commodores go really well with an EFI engine bolted in, they are nice and light and handle well even by modern standards. If moneys no object why not go for an LS1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigervh View Post
    The older Commodores go really well with an EFI engine bolted in, they are nice and light and handle well even by modern standards. If moneys no object why not go for an LS1.
    never really thought about putting an ls1 in it...that would prob go alright lol. got me thinking now rb30et has always been in the back of my mind too (for ease and cheaper than a v8 option) i've always been a v8 man tho so we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfoam View Post
    Yeah the timer starts once you cross the beam, reaction has nothing to do with it. Some tracks are .400 some are .500.
    that is correct, reaction time has no effect on overall Elapsed Time, reaction times only really count when its full on racing ie: top fuelers, doorslammers etc etc. the thing watch to get better times is your 60ft times, get them as low as possible.

    the Kwinana Motorplex has been changed to .000 for perfect reaction time, used to be .400

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    my 60ft time for my best run was 2.537 which beat a few faster cars...must be cuz i had no wheel spin issues being a 202.

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    seeing as im taking the 202 out in a few days i decided to take it for 1 final drive...the car is stripped too...other than the driver seat, dash and headlining the interior is out, there's no bonnet or front guards no bumpers no grill etc. so as i started it and let it warm i thought to myself, i have never properly given the 202 a caning lol. anyway took it round the block a few times, noticed a big difference when there's no weight in it! i tried to valve bounce it but it wouldn't, it would spin all the way up to 5,500 rpm and just wouldn't go any higher...i had no idea u could spin it that high without some serious valve bouncing...i used to shift it at bout 4,200 absolute max...i should have gone higher on the strip might have got the time down a little...seemed to keep pulling hard up to 5,000rpm.

    is this just a fluke motor? calling all 202 punishing commodore nuts out there!!

    (p.s keep in mind that it has probably never been opened in its life, only mod is a weber carby that does the job great )

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    A 202's redline is 5500. We have a few 202 paddock bombs, and i cant say ive ever heard one valve bounce, and they get driving through mud so they rev hard, i might have to stick a tacho on one and see if can get it valve bounce lol. Im sure our paddock bombs have hit 5500 probly a little more, pretty much flat stick in first gear till we get to the other side of lagoon, one would think it would it would be hitting 5500+
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_1569 View Post
    A 202's redline is 5500. We have a few 202 paddock bombs, and i cant say ive ever heard one valve bounce, and they get driving through mud so they rev hard, i might have to stick a tacho on one and see if can get it valve bounce lol. Im sure our paddock bombs have hit 5500 probly a little more, pretty much flat stick in first gear till we get to the other side of lagoon, one would think it would it would be hitting 5500+
    really? usually a cars 'redline' is just past there peak power rpm in the 202 its 4400rpm but i only took mine there a few times sounded like it was revving its tits off so i changed gear (manually shifting the auto) kinda wanna take it back to the drags see what it would get revving it higher...prob wouldn't even need 3rd gear haha as i was only in it for a second or 2. anyways saving up for a vl so i can get the vh going quick....funny alot of people say why not just do up the vl, and i say, 'because its a vl'

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    The redline is where the factory think is a safe amount of revs for the (new healthy) engine to run at. Past that is where they reckon is has a 1% chance of falling apart further you go past the more likely it wll fall apart . Most injected 304's make peak power below 5000 revs but the factory redline is 5500-5700 but the optimal shift point is 5200. I'd be shifting at around 5000 at least in a 202 just at a rough guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfoam View Post
    The redline is where the factory think is a safe amount of revs for the (new healthy) engine to run at. Past that is where they reckon is has a 1% chance of falling apart further you go past the more likely it wll fall apart . Most injected 304's make peak power below 5000 revs but the factory redline is 5500-5700 but the optimal shift point is 5200. I'd be shifting at around 5000 at least in a 202 just at a rough guess
    so my shifts at a lazy 4200rpm still got my stocker to 17.7 got it running pretty sweet...anyone want the 202? $100...tho i might keep it and pull it apart for fun as im startin a mechanic apprenticeship and could do with some more experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH commodore View Post
    so my shifts at a lazy 4200rpm still got my stocker to 17.7 got it running pretty sweet...anyone want the 202? $100...tho i might keep it and pull it apart for fun as im startin a mechanic apprenticeship and could do with some more experience.
    Id be interested in the Dizzy, and maybe ur weber setup.
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