black carby or black efi

[john_mete]

yeah just wondering whats better over all??

i know that the EFI has 106kw and the carby has 86kw

but i mean what engine is better to get power out of on a low budget without using turbo or superchargers.

answers would be very appreciated. thanks.

( im talking about the black petrol 3.3 litre 202, forgot to add that in )

[EcotecVK]

carby, Decent MAnifold and Carby with a cam will work best, There isnt anything really that you can do to the injection on those 202s.

[john_mete]

cool thanks, i dont like the injected 1s much either, for some reason you dont see many super fast cars with fuel injected engines do you?? they all have carbys.

[RUNANC]

carby 4 sure

[Tom_1569]

Im biased caus I love carbys, but for quick cheap power, and reliability you can go past the EFI setup.
The EFI's respond very well to a cam, have also heard of people using injectors out of a Ford as they are bigger and slightly better. Extractors and exhaust, also another popular thing is the Gemini Torque converter. Then you can tune the computer and your laughing.
It really depends on the extent you want to go, very basic upgrades I would say Carby, mild I would go EFI, If your chasing big power (remember its a 202) then a carby, or a big dollar EFI setup.

[john_mete]

yeah true to that,

i just missed out on buying a 1985 vk sl with original 80,000kms, and 4 speed manual so im pretty depressed and really ****ed off about that lol.

[tigervh]

cool thanks, i dont like the injected 1s much either, for some reason you dont see many super fast cars with fuel injected engines do you?? they all have carbys.

WTF!!!!! That might have been the case in 1960!!!!!!!!!!!

[john_mete]

tigervh, go read a street commodores magazine then fix up ur post.

[Tom_1569]

tigervh, go read a street commodores magazine then fix up ur post.

LOL, Your not serious are you?

[VT-565]

LOL, Your not serious are you?

Don't mess with him, he's 17.

Besides, it's refreshing to see a young one with faith in carbs lol

[john_mete]

i like carbys, and why are alot of ppl on this forum so stuck up?

not saying that im any better im just trying to get all the info i need so i dont waste my money, becuz "im only 17"

[Tom_1569]

i like carbys, and why are alot of ppl on this forum so stuck up?

not saying that im any better im just trying to get all the info i need so i dont waste my money, becuz "im only 17"

Ive been a member here since I was 15 (when I got my VK), Im only 18 now, and dont worry I still get criticised by a certain member caus of my age (read my sig haha).
VT-565 was only having a joke, stress less mate. Its the internet your going to have to put up with a lot petty people with to much free time, just learn to ignore them.

Back on topic of EFI vs Carb, there are engine running big horses using EFI or Carby, when money is no limit it comes down to preference. Alot of people use carbys for race motors, and thats what your seeing in the magazines. If you want a street car/daily you need to look practicle. Those big HP cars would be a dog to drive daily not to mention far from economical.

There no limit with power whether you use EFI or a carby, its all how much you want to spend.

[john_mete]

tom_1569 thanks for that mate.

umm yeah im sorta changing my mind coz wat u sed is pretty much true those cars would be a bitch to drive daily. im just a power hungry teen lolz.

yeah im looking to spend no more than $1500, i only want an extra bit of power to satisfy my hunger for going fast. up to the speed limit of course........

yeah wat would a good setup be for a efi engine? and would the same mods pretty much apply to a V6? ($1500 give or take $200-$300)

[Tom_1569]

tom_1569 thanks for that mate.

umm yeah im sorta changing my mind coz wat u sed is pretty much true those cars would be a bitch to drive daily. im just a power hungry teen lolz.

yeah im looking to spend no more than $1500, i only want an extra bit of power to satisfy my hunger for going fast. up to the speed limit of course........

yeah wat would a good setup be for a efi engine? and would the same mods pretty much apply to a V6? ($1500 give or take $200-$300)

What are you running now? and What car?
You wont get a V6 in your car for 1500, so I would rule that out.

Also where are you from? Are you going to get slumped with these new P-plate laws (no modifications).

[VT-565]

i like carbys, and why are alot of ppl on this forum so stuck up?

not saying that im any better im just trying to get all the info i need so i dont waste my money, becuz "im only 17"

Hey,

We were all 17 once, everyone goes through times where older people will hang crap on you, I think it builds your character, you can either stand up or slither away and be angry at the world.
I'm sure you'll fit right in here, you're into cars so that's a start.

Back to the topic, you have to go back to basics and evaluate what each system is about to get a true feel for what you want and what will suit you best.

I once read something and I will never forget it, "a carby is just a controlled leak" and when you think about it, it is!
But how sucessful is this thing? With each year that goes by, carbs get more and more advanced, becoming more and more reliable and able to support the big numbers, day in, day out.
Best thing is, they are cheap (compared to EFI) and for most part, the theory of a carb is still the same.
You can pull them down in the shed or in the pits with a few hand tools, provided you know what you are doing, you can go far.
BUT, your hands will get dirty and there is still only so much control you will get (ie: cylinder fuel/air distribution) with a carb.

EFI i think is an awesome thing, but a bit daunting to the slightly older of us as I didn't grow up with PC's and the like.
From what I understand it's extremely controllable, provides excellent cylinder metering (with direct injection) and you can tune it on a nice clean laptop!
Systems are expensive though, but as the market opens up, some are becoming more affordable.

That's a little bit of insight i guess, but as for your first question, I wouldn't have a clue as to what is correct, but for old times sake, I'd go with the carb

[tigervh]

tigervh, go read a street commodores magazine then fix up ur post.

'Street Commodores' should be renamed 'Trailer Commodores'. All the cars are show ponies, very few are capable of being driven on the street. The furthest most get driven is from the trailer to the show hall. Their so called technical articles are incredulously hollow and shamelessly push product.

There are much better sources of information available than magazines and the internet, I suggest you widen your reading and knowledge.

Some great books currently available are:
Four Stroke Performance Tuning by Graham Bell
Modern Engine Tuning by Graham Bell
Forced Induction Tuning by Graham Bell
How to Hot Rod your Holden V8, Max Ellery
21st Century Performance by Julian Edgar
Gregory's Service Manuals(Invaluable)

Secondly, I don't consider anyone on this forum 'stuck up', There are some very knowledgeable people on here who have many years experience as enthusiasts or working in engineering industry. In this light your comment, "Go read Street Commodores and fix your post", is absolutely hilarious. They are just having a laugh at your expense. Give it a while and you'll be doing the same to some kid who said something funny.

[greenfoam]

cool thanks, i dont like the injected 1s much either, for some reason you dont see many super fast cars with fuel injected engines do you?? they all have carbys.

WTF did I just time travel to 1930? whys the internet still here?

[202_nutt]

go for a 465 holley 4 barrel vac secondry set up the. 4 barrel will need to be set up right but it will give better power and driveability then a 350 holley
a carbie provides fuel before the motor needs it and at a constant flow witch is better for all out power than EFI with its pulses of fuel .
Thats why topfuel drag cars use mechanical injection and not EFI.