pay pal scam Please read

[duehicky]

i am currently selling my ve, its currently in the for sale forums, also on gumtree.com and autoline.com.au, will be on car sales next week

now i want to let every1 kno that to be really carefull about selling your car to interstate buyers who apparently are tied up for work and want to buy right now via paypal and have it picked up by some transport company to take it away.

this is the emails that have been sent

please read from the bottom as this is a copy and paste from my emails,
there was 1 more email i sent pretty much saying pay by direct transfer to my finance company and the remainder to my account or piss off.
this is a serious issue that i really thought should be told to all sellers of there vehicles,

also can a mod pretty this up and put it somewhere permanent as pay pal fraud is a pretty serious thing every1 should be aware of this,

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________

I insisted on paypal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking and i can't go to the bank due to the nature of my job, but i can pay from my paypal account, as i have my bank a/c attached to it, i will need you to give me your paypal email address so i can make the payments asap for the merchandise and pls if you don't have paypal account yet, it is very easy to set up, go to www.paypal.com and get it set up , after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with paypal so as to put the money through.

PayPal is easy and safe for online transactions,PayPal will send you an email once you receive a payment for an item purchase from any of your buyers, and they get the money credited into your account.....So go ahead and set up an account with PayPal, just go to www.paypal.com, alls they need from you is a valid bank account.

Kindly get back to me with the email you used in setting up your PayPal account, so that i can effect on the payment right away.

Thanks


--- On Sun, 9/10/11, Matthew Martinsen <duehicky_21@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Matthew Martinsen <duehicky_21@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Reply Asap................: Car price
To: "Daniel Lopez" <dddanny4744@y7mail.com>
Received: Sunday, 9 October, 2011, 5:16 PM

As my vehicle is under finance I cannot accept paypal I will have to get a pay out figure from my finance company with bank details to pay that and also the remaining amount into my bank account. And because it's Sunday my banks isnt open today to get the figures for you now.

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/10/2011, at 4:00 PM, Daniel Lopez <dddanny4744@y7mail.com> wrote:

hello,

Thanks for the response,i will like to make offering of $23,000 AUD including the sound system so that we can close the sales and have the transaction ...kindly get back to me with your Paypal Payment information so that i can go ahead with the payment which i will including PayPal surcharges since i am interested in the immediate purchase.I want the vehicle to be ship to London,where this is needed and i will be making use of a shipping company to have this picked up from you and have it delivered to me when i get back to England,i am presently on official duty in Ohio USA,.Further arrangements will be made with you in regards to the pick up once i have paid you.

regards
Daniel



--- On Sun, 9/10/11, Matthew Martinsen <duehicky_21@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Matthew Martinsen <duehicky_21@hotmail.com>
Subject: Car price
To: "dddanny4744@y7mail.com" <dddanny4744@y7mail.com>
Received: Sunday, 9 October, 2011, 4:54 PM

22500 with sound system as low as I'm gunna go with the sound system in it, withought subs sub amps 2nd battery. Will keep the 2nd head unit and speakers in mayb for about 21000

Sent from my iPhone

[bogan_vk]

these scams have been around for a while now.

[duehicky]

apparently they had when i looked into it but was just looking out for people that havent ever heard of it b4 as i never had, i was sorta sussed with it from the start

[ClairBear]

Nothing new, this scam has been around for a long time and is quite well known. There are other threads on this subject in the Pub section.

[FATMOE]

That happened to me, I just traced his email and ip address and found that he lived like 20 mins away and went to his place and......not saying anything on the net. But yeah if you want me to find out who's sending you these scams pm me and ill find out for you.

[nathanVY]

If they want to pay by paypal fine, just don't let anyone take the car until the money's cleared into your bank account.

[womble66]

If they want to pay by paypal fine, just don't let anyone take the car until the money's cleared into your bank account.

ensure you have got the money from paypal into your bank not just your paypal account. don't even trust paypal to help when all goes west.

[VTSS350]

If they want to pay by paypal fine, just don't let anyone take the car until the money's cleared into your bank account.

Exactly.

If you gave them the car before the money cleared into your bank account your deserve to loose it.

People fall for the most stupid scams!

[HussySV6]

exact same thing happened with me. Tryna sell me car. Gave him better offer then listed and he refused it lol. Then he said he was shipping it to london for his prego wife lol hahah loser . Funny thing is it was 2 hours after i put it up

[Kernal]

#### around with him. See if you can get him to send you a deposit via paypal lol.

[aaronevolution]

Don't give them your PayPal details.

[Reaper]

Lol - as soon as the buyer started offering you more than what you asked for sight unseen I didn't need to read any more.

Reaper

[azkwazere]

Do it, he sounds legit..

aZk.

[Ryzie.]

Do it, he sounds legit..

aZk.

I agree. Anyone with the email "dddanny4744@y7mail.com" should be trusted!

[The X Man]

Yes but even after the money clears they do a Paypal claim stating the account was hacked so it's reversed. The money then gets taken from your bank account and you have lost your car at the same time.

[Supe]

Actually what they do is pretend to overpay you then request you return the overpaid amount to them via Western Union or a different method than they originally paid with (It's almost always Western Union). You'll also find the PayPal email you may have received if he did "pay" would be false and if you logged into your real PayPal account there would be no actual transaction. They only need 1 in a hundred people to be stupid and careless enough and they make $500 per day, not bad money given the third world dump they usually come from. Funny how they can afford internet connections but live like animals in the dirt expecting the rest of the world to feed them. Makes me mad.

[UFO]

same thing happened to me.... was selling my mrs honda jazz.

the 2nd i heard that an interstate buyer wanted to buy sight unseen, i knew it was dodgy.
when he said he wanted it shipped after offering me asking price plus transport costs, i told him ill be forwarding all emails to police.
never contacted me again.

[Shorty33]

all very bizarre: "the vehicle to be ship to London," - don't they sell cars in England ?
What I'm not smart enough to understand is, how he's going to rip you, or perhaps PayPal, off: I can't see how that would work, unless he persuades you to hand over the car before payment is finalized.
Last year, I stumbled over a fraud on GumTree, where someone was selling a motorbike, and was using pics lifted from a genuine advert a few months earlier, and which I had inspected. But he wanted my money, on the promise that he would freight the bike to me. But your situation is the reverse, and I can't see how it would work: obviously, I'm not sneaky enough ...

just caught up with posts by Xman & Supe, and yes, they are two ways it might work for the scammer.

[duehicky]

Lol just had another silly individual try and do it again, I read up until I saw pay pal and told em to suck a fat on

[Pete_perth]

As I understand it, this scam (and others like it), start off in this manner, they offer to buy the car at asking price or slightly higher. They state they can't come to personally view the car as they are (insert excuse here - oil rig worker, on the moon, in hospital etc etc) but they wish to purchase your car and they need to finalise the deal quickly.

If at this point you are foolish enough to give them your paypal details they then send you a fake paypal notification stating that the money has been transferred and it is in paypal's account ready for handing over. However they will also tell you that it cannot be released (and the excuses here can be anything i.e until freight, agents fees etc has been paid or cleared or arranged or converted - yet another excuse). At this point the scammer then ups the ante on the urgency of the transfer and states that if you (the seller) pays the freight, agents fees etc, they will refund you what you have paid (usually a couple of thousand dollars). They immediately send you another fake paypal notice informing you that you have another payment waiting for final transfer.

If at this point you are stupid enough to pay the freight, agents fees (insert excuse here for additional fee), they demand that it be paid by Western Union or some other non-refundable means to their account. Once they get the money, you then will fall into one of two categories, Number 1 is, you never hear from them again and you never get the money from paypal (because it doesn't exist) and if you contact paypal they will tell you both notifications you received are fake or 2, they say something has happened and that you have to pay more money to get the original funds cleared, but they will reimburse you and send you another fake paypal notification that the money is there - and at this point they try and scam even more money off you.

There are many variations to this scam, but it usually follows this path. Don't toy with them as it helps them to improve their scams by working out what tipped people off in the first place. The best way to deal with scammers is to not reply to them at all. Hope this helps.

[Hangman]

Last year, I stumbled over a fraud on GumTree, where someone was selling a motorbike, and was using pics lifted from a genuine advert a few months earlier, and which I had inspected.

Ads with pics from another auction/sale site are fairly common on e-bay. See it with a lot of Toranas. But if you believe you can pick up a genuine XU-1 for under 10k, well......

[Shorty33]

thankyou to Pete_perth and Hangman

[H4Z4RD]

Lol,

I enquired about a 2nd hand Golf R32 for $34,000. 14,000kms, most options. He replied back saying well the car is actually in the UK at the moment, so if I pay the shipping company he'd reimburse me. My following email to him started with a word beginning with F.