Programing Ve Clusters?

[Craig93]

Hi guys i am looking to put in a HSV cluster into my VE SS. I purchased the cluster out of the correct year model and everything. Just wondering if anyone has worked out how to program them with the car yet?
If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks

[IGNITIONSV6]

Pretty sure you will have to take it to your Holden dealer but they may refuse as you don't own a HSV.......this is what iv'e heard have you gone to your local auto elecs???

[88GreenVN]

www.carmodder.com • Programming Cluster EEPROMs for the Holden VE Commodore

Got this from a forum - he may be able to help. Not sure if the link will work - but you should be able to find it.

[SV6.07]

you need to pop to someone who has a Tech 2 will have no problems reprogramming it. most mech the good ones who do holdens have a tech 2. i agree with the other member. holden wont do it as there strict on hsv stuff. some might do it. but many wont.
Welcome to ASR Audio & Electronics Home Page
he does the led work on cars does great work. might be able to do it. if u send the cluster up to him.

[Zerone_V]

Hi Craig, Sorry I havent been replying to your PMs.
While I was waiting for you to determine if you still wanted to go ahead with programming your clusters, I lent my EEPROM programmer out to another guy, and well I have never heard from him since.

I have been trying to email the guy to see what is going on, and its like he has disappeared off the face of the earth.
Bad news for me, it looks like I have lost $100 worth of EEPROM programmer gear.
(Which kind of $h!t$ me royally, as I was trying to do this guy a favour, and he has had the EEPROMer for over a month now.)
He hasnt provided the cluster dumps, so my assumption is he has been too lazy to even remove the cluster yet, or do anything that requires the EEPROMer.
What rubs me up the wrong way even more is that I PAID for registered post to send it up there, so as it wouldnt get lost in the mail.

So where does this leave me now ?
This may sound selfish, but I have had my HSV cluster programmed and fitted to my Calais now for a couple of months, so I dont NEED to buy another programmer.
There hasnt been a lot of interest in the project either, (No one has contributed to the information) and I was never interested in making any money from helping people program their own clusters, so to be ripped off like this make me feel very sour about the whole thing.
(Also keep in mind I spent many many hours deciphering the EEPROM locations and such, publishing any information that I found to anyone that asked).

I am still willing to give you a hand in programming your HSV cluster, but at this stage I am not going to buy another EEPROM programmer and SOP connector again. This project has already cost me enough $$$$.
If you want to go ahead, you will need to source the EEPROM programmer and SOP connector (I can tell you where to get these things from eBay).
Once you dump your SS and HSV cluster EEPROM, I can then manually edit the HEX files to give you a working file for the HSV cluster to upload and use in your car.

Otherwise, best bet is to contact someone cluey such as phreddy, he may be interested in purchasing an EEPROMer (Or may already have one), and he may be able to provide the service for you at a cost.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but guess thats the way things roll.

[SilverVH]

Dude that sucks. What a low life!

I hope you can get it sorted, is the guy a forum member here?

[Craig93]

PM sent Zerone_V

Some people are really just not worth it from the sounds of it mate hopefully he gives it back.

[Zerone_V]

HI everyone, thanks for the positive posts.
The guy is a member here (But not an active one, he has around 4 posts).

He finally got back to me, basically he hasnt had time / too cared to take his cluster out / apart and read the EEPROM.
Instead he choose to ignore my emails for a month, until now.

Hopefully I get my gear back son, so as I can help out other people.
Cheers

[Zerone_V]

I couple of people have asked me If I can help them with modifying EEPROM dumps to get various clusters to work on their car

I am definitely willing to help anyone out with downloading / modifying and uploading EEPROMs for your Clusters.
(As long as people can obtain the dumps themselves, then I am willing to edit the dumps so as they work with a certain cluster / car).

The cheapest EEPROM programmer that I have found is this
USB KEEProg programmer - 24xx, 93xx, 25xx, 95xx eeproms | eBay

Then you will need a clip, that clips on the EEPROM, and connects to the Programmer. (This clip means that you do not need to desolder the EEPROM from the board).

I have already began writing a doco on how to do this. Which you can see here
www.carmodder.com • Programming Cluster EEPROMs for the Holden VE Commodore

This doco needs to be updated, with information on how to use the clip (Currently it has info on how to desolder the EEPROM, and use an adapter, which is the more difficult way of doing things).

I have worked out all of the EEPROM locations that you need to copy across to get a cluster to work. (Basically VIN, and some Chassis Information).
I have also worked out what locations you need to copy to set the Odo reading on a new cluster, to your current odo reading.

If anyone is interested, please feel free to reply to this post, or P.M. me.

Cheers
Matti

Cheers
Matti

[Calais57]

Matti
Extremely interesting and its great of you to share this!

For VE HSV clusters I have been told that they cannot be reprogrammed once they have exceeded a certain number of KM on the Odo (100km I think but not sure). Do you know if your method is likely to work on 2nd hand VE HSV clusters?

Thanks

[Zerone_V]

Yep, The limits imposed using Tech2 do not apply when writing directly to the EEPROM.
As a matter of fact, writing directly to the EEPROM, I can make a cluster read any Kms that you want. (Within reason though).
I can also change the cluster serial number so as it looks like its from another model.
(I.E. I can copy the Calais Serial Number to a HSV Cluster, and set the Ks to 0Km, so as it looks like a brand new Calais 3 Window Cluster to a Tech 2)....

Thats kind of pointless though, as if you were to program the cluster EEPROM, you may as well go the whole hog and copy the VIN and chassis data over, and get the cluster to work 100%

I currently have an E2 HSV cluster fitted to my Calais. (Reprogrammed using the above method).
I also have an Omega Cluster that I was using for testing purposes, that had an EEPROM socket soldered to the board, so as I could swap Programmed EEPROMs in and out quickly.
I have set the Ks on all the clusters to read the same value. (The HSV cluster I had only had 60,000Kms on it, whereas my Calais has 100,000Kms on it).
The Omega Cluster was a $50 cheapy from eBay, and had over 200,000Kms on it. So I set that to the same Ks as the Calais.

At the moment I only have data for a V6 Auto Omega, V8 Auto Calais, and an Auto HSV Cluster.
Which means if someone wants to fit a cluter to one of these models, I do not need to get an EEPROM dump of the existing cluster. I only need to write the new data to the cluster that is to be fitted.

But for other models, there is chassis settings in the EEPROM cluster (Such as Auto, Manual, Engine, ABS, etc), which needs to be copied from the existing cluster, to the new cluster in order for the car to allow the cluster to work.

Hope all this helps.

[Zerone_V]

Just a little bit more information regarding Series II Clusters

The problem that have with series II stuff at the moment is that there are differences between the series I and series II clusters.
I have been told that these differences are mostly wiring, (Mainly steerng wheel button support) but I have not been able to get my hands on one, and work out exactly what the differences are.
Because of this, I cannot be sure if the EEPROM locations that I have worked out will apply to Series II clusters.
Once I get my hands on an EEPROM dump from a series II cluster, I will be able to work out right away if they have changed things or not.

I have also tried to buy a cheap Series II cluster from eBay, but I cannot afford to spend $150 or more on something that I dont need, and something that is just for experimentation only.

Hopefully someone can provide me with a EEPROM dump from a series II cluster, and we can go from there.

[Zerone_V]

Just to cover what exactly I am talking about in the post above...

IMPORTANT NOTE:
There are two variations of VE Instrument cluster, that appear to be incompatible with each other.
VE Year Models MY06, MY07, MY08, and MY08.5 do not support instrument clusters from MY09 Models and Later.
Likewise it appears the MY09 Models do not support earlier MY06, MY07, MY08 and MY08.5 Instrument Clusters.
The limitation appears to be a GM TECH2 programming limitation, as well as wiring differences in the steering wheel switches and as such it is not recommended that late model clusters are fitted to earlier models, and vice versa.

HOW TO IDENTIFY EARLY AND LATE MODEL INSTRUMENT CLUSTERS
VE Instrument clusters from Year Models MY06, MY07, MY08 and MY08.5 have a white plastic cover on the back on the instrument cluster.
These instrument clusters are manufactured by Arrow Australia, and are only suitable for early model VE commodores.

VE Instrument Clusters from MY09, MY10, and Series II Commodores have a black plastic cover on the back of the instrument cluster, and are made by Continental (VDO).

It is the Late model cluster that I cannt confirm if I can program / get working at this stage without an EEPROM dump

[SilverVH]

Some pretty useful information.

Thanks for sharing.

[Fekason]

Hi,

Very interesting information.

In the past, I changed my VS II and VY II clusters to the three window trip computer clusters. It required some wiring work in th VS II, but was very straight forward in the VY II - just install and tech2.

When I bought my MY09 SV6, I looked to do the same. Read much and never got the nerve to try. Now I have an MY11 SV6, I might put the idea back on the agenda.

If you reach the point of being able to program a VE II Calais/Berlina clusted for my MY11 VE II SV6, I would be keen to talk to you.

[abdchehadeh]

thank you guys for this helpful threads,
I'm doing an assignment and I'm wondering if someone got any ideas about the EEPROM series in VY onwards series.