performance enhancing a series 2 ve sv6 comodore

[tripo23q]

Hi
the stock the ve sv6 has 210 kw... i would like to know how to go about finding the true potential of the comodore without supercharging or smacking a turbo in there
i understand that the low to mid range rev output dose lag.....
i realise there are various parts, methods and ways going about doing this but please submit all your theories so i can come up with my own
i want to install an ecu chip.. dont reali no much about them i understand what they do.... but brands no clue... should i install before or after i finish the mods ?
thanks

[Jonno]

If ur on ur p's it has too much for u to begin with.

[tripo23q]

lol i know ... but not planning on selling it anytime soon, n ive heard of the 06 models putting out somewhere between 235-240 fromm 190kw

[sv6 power]

Go get a custom made manifold for your car, its around $2000, and then a mafless tune.

[torana355]

Go get a custom made manifold for your car, its around $2000, and then a mafless tune.

Mafless tune on the SIDI? I don't think so......

[Xonar]

You get what you pay for....

A few bolt ons will hardly make a difference and novelty will wear out very quickly.

Side mounted blower would make it alive and you could get away without intercooling if boost was not to high

[scouser king]

I know you said that you didn't want blowers/turbos but,they are the only real way to make power out of the 6's.Some think like this would be good for you and the cost is ok.
SUPERCHARGER KIT VE V6 3.6L Non Intercooled 265KW+ | eBay

[tripo23q]

I know you said that you didn't want blowers/turbos but,they are the only real way to make power out of the 6's.Some think like this would be good for you and the cost is ok.
SUPERCHARGER KIT VE V6 3.6L Non Intercooled 265KW+ | eBay

im a p plater ....... or i would of gone a v8 so it looks like im gonna have to stick to the bolt ons..... ecu chip n a decent tune.... these defects can be hidden tho supercharge and turbo are to obvious lol im certain i can still add about 60 kw onto the car ....

[Troy711]

Forced induction is the only way you will get any decent power out of an Alloytec.

[Jarp]

Yeah FI the way to go. The above kit though is designed for the non-SIDI so not sure how it would go. Have often looked at those kits and wondered if they'd hook up OK to the SIDI? No need to change ECU though as the SIDI chip is tuneable to FI. For around $4k you could do a 3.7 diff, extractors, CAI (wait for OTR to be released though) and a tune. I've found these OK but now is not enough although I think the OTR will make a difference

Edit: Oh I also belive that MACE are developing some cams for them.

[bigjim92]

Jarp has summed it up pretty well.
Mods all depend on how much you're willing to spend...
Current mods you can do, full exhaust, manifold insulators, under drive pulley kit, and Mace can also tune the engine and transmission (if auto)
As for CAI, wait a little while, as there is an OTR version on the way.
MACE is also developing cams which should pull nice results.

[kuzman89]

I know you said that you didn't want blowers/turbos but,they are the only real way to make power out of the 6's.Some think like this would be good for you and the cost is ok.
SUPERCHARGER KIT VE V6 3.6L Non Intercooled 265KW+ | eBay

+ clutch (or auto equivalent) etc
+ will need to upgrade the exhaust
+ fuel system
+ tuning
+ injector upgrade
+ installation

Will probably cost closer to 10k

And Jarp, $4k is abit extreme for those mods? Mace tunes are going for $440 atm, diff anywhere between $500-$1000, CAI $250-$600, extractors $400-$800. I wouldn't spend more than $2000 all up for those mods.

[astroham]

ok here is the thing ... sidi 20K to force induction ... trust me ive investigated ... still investigating infact ... the quickest way to gain power is extractors cats exhaust intake and a tune ... even the injestors im having trouble finding

[dmacey]

ok here is the thing ... sidi 20K to force induction ... trust me ive investigated ... still investigating infact ... the quickest way to gain power is extractors cats exhaust intake and a tune ... even the injestors im having trouble finding

The money you have spent on your car mate, why not switch it to an 8?

[vicarious]

The money you have spent on your car mate, why not switch it to an 8?

or switch it to a v10- where does it stop

[dmacey]

When the cash reserves are empty

[astroham]

The money you have spent on your car mate, why not switch it to an 8?

i cant afford it any more ... if i was to swap cars i would one one in similar condition (which is excellent) and the only money i have spent on performance is about 5g ... enough to buy an 8 yes but i wont get what i owe on this car ... and hence the cycle ... but with the limited mods available for my car everyday i wish i had bought the 6L
BUT i do love my car

[Jarp]

20k is a fair whack. Can I ask what you base those figures on?

From what I've been told and read there is still some headroom in the stock fuel injection system so no need to spend on that unless you are wanting larger numbers then of course you are up for others costs to make it streetable. Have a read of what STS has done with the twin scroll for the LLT Camaro. Squires Turbo Systems - 2010-2011 V6 Camaro. I think this is the cost Squires Turbo Systems (STS) V6 Turbo Kit :: 2010 Camaro V6

I'm sure you can spend and spend on all sorts of stuff but I still reckon you might be able to FI this car for under 10k. I'd love to see some comments from any of you with an engineering background on the feasability of using one of these SUPERCHARGER KIT VE V6 3.6L Non Intercooled 265KW+ | eBay on a SIDI or even modifying the STS Camaro unit to fit the Commo?

Edit: Yeah I'm sure you can get things cheaper Kuzman just saying approximately what I spent is all.

New 3.7lsd from Holmart was $1800 + fit.
Extractors - $800 fitted
Growler was around $400 I think
Tune: $400ish
Other exhaust changes $600ish. I reckon ya better off over guesstimating higher than to conservatively that way there are no shocks and maybe even a pleasant surprise.

[Gravity]

I wonder how much of this answers the OP's question.

[astroham]

I have rung around a few places and most have said that the computer system is not capable of handling the additional demand made by a turbo or blower so that has to have at least a piggy back ecu on it ... And then If you want to rub more then around 4psi you have to do the injectors as well ... 20k is an over estimation ... But most have said I wouldn't get much change out of 18k

If you are wondering where I got that info from it was from Dale at CHE

[tripo23q]

cause i am p plater

thanks guys your opinions .. opening my eyes a little ive been looking into some parts and it seems that its a waiting game for now.... most in development

[tripo23q]

hence why i cant supercharge or smack a turbo in lol
i wish i would og got a gts and worked the tits of that lol but im gonn hvae this car for another couple years so why not enjoy it

[tripo23q]

oh so chip not needed ?

and how can i go about bringing up the putput from low to mid range revs?

[B-roca]

oh so chip not needed ?

and how can i go about bringing up the putput from low to mid range revs?

Ok I will just sum up everything, that everyone has just said...

No you don't need a new ECU, just go get it tuned but get it done at a good tuner.

Most people do the following mods (no particular order):
-Full 2.5" Exhaust
-Tune
-Diff Gears
-Extractors
-Cold Air Intake

However, if you want ot make real power you use Forced Induction, i.e. Turbo or Supercharger (which would need a new ecu)

Or you just do the sensible thing (money wise) and buy a v8 which will have more power, more potential and be cheaper..

[kuzman89]

Fair enough Jarp, personally would look at a 2nd hand HSV or SS diff. Save yourself a grand.
I wouldn't touch 2.5" exhaust unless you were planning on FI or big cam.

Not sure on it being cheaper lol, cost more to buy, cost more for insurance, cost more for fuel.