Tells it like it is.
For those in Victoria wanting to slam their VE (or even slightly lower it :))
Ok - new Vicroads modified vehicles guide.....
Check out the last paragraph in 13.7. Essentially you can lower your VE Commodore but because it is ESC equipped the onus is on you to prove that your modification does not impact on the operation of the ESC system. Lowering the car, changing the ride firmness (aftermarket shocks etc) or fitting coil overs could all effect ESC operation and thus the onus is on the driver to prove it doesn't. Bottom line is that a lowered VE will most probably not be a legal modification and thus potentially zero insurance cover in the event of a smash.
link: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...orvehicles.pdf
Reaper
(just saying)
Last edited by Reaper; 23-11-2011 at 06:46 PM.
Kicker - Livin' Loud :)
Sounds fun...glad I don't have one
Originally Posted by some_guy
Just another way the insurance company can screw you when you actually need to claim after years of paying your dues without claiming on them for sh*te.
How many greased palms would there be at vicroads??
Donating Member
Tells it like it is.
It's only a matter of time before it comes to a state that is you!Good thing im in NSW
Reaper
Ok - new Vicroads modified vehicles guide.....
Check out the last paragraph in 13.7. Essentially you can lower your VE Commodore but because it is ESC equipped the onus is on you to prove that your modification does not impact on the operation of the ESC system. Lowering the car, changing the ride firmness (aftermarket shocks etc) or fitting coil overs could all effect ESC operation and thus the onus is on the driver to prove it doesn't. Bottom line is that a lowered VE will most probably not be a legal modification and thus potentially zero insurance cover in the event of a smash.
link: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...orvehicles.pdf
Reaper
(just saying
so cop cars will be excluded?
The Mad Dutchman
Tells it like it is.
Why???
Reaper
dont know over there, but in adelaide there a lot lower than standard
The Mad Dutchman
I'am in WA.Looks like i will be safe for now and i'am on my arse in ss
Tells it like it is.
ORLY??? I'm sure they're standard FE2 if you check
Reaper
Donating Member
Safe? You will only be safe if your ESC worksI'am in WA.Looks like i will be safe for now and i'am on my arse in ss
Insurance companies aren't going to knock back a claim because of lowered suspension.
What a crock of shit!
So all police cars are equipped with FE2 are they? I saw a Falcon HWP and it was almost tucking rim.ORLY??? I'm sure they're standard FE2 if you check
Reaper
Banned
What happens to all the people who have cars without ESP, the granny in her 1984 Toyota Cressida next door is stuffed by the sound of it :P
Insurance companies will ensure a car that is legal and roadworthy. Get a roadworthy done on the car for 50 bucks for piece of mind. If the insurance don't pay up a claim take the mechanic to court. ( I've had a lowered VE roadworthied and it wasn't even noted on his report).
I've had a lowered VE since 2007 and never been refused a claim, but technically they could if they wanted to push the point. But dont know if it would stand up in court, since the ESP function can be disabled inside the car with a factory fitted on off button. The VE is like any other car, it's not a fly by wire fighter jet aircraft the relies on its computer controlled system to keep it from falling out of the sky. The ESP isn't an integral part of the cars design to make it safe to drive, if it was it wouldn't have an on off switch.
The ABS cannot be turned off, so fitting too large a size tyre will hinder its operation and therefore made illegal.
I've made several claims over the years with cars modified with 'illegal' mods. Never has an insurance co ever tried to wriggle out of anything. Just more unsubstantiated bullshit.
Polish all the things...
I understand the reasoning - but how on earth can this morally be enforced when no suspension modification will effect ESP as much as the Off button?
Tells it like it is.
it entirely depends on the situation of the crash. If ESP failure was found to be a contributing factor then very much YES!Insurance companies aren't going to knock back a claim because of lowered suspension.
What a crock of shit!
Never said any such thing. Not seen even 1 Falcon with FE2 yetSo all police cars are equipped with FE2 are they? I saw a Falcon HWP and it was almost tucking rim..
Reaper
Tells it like it is.
You do realize the document was released in October 2011 don't you???
Entirely. Ie - the onus is very much on the owner of such large tired car to prove it doesn't hinder the operation of the ESP system.but technically they could if they wanted to push the point. But dont know if it would stand up in court, since the ESP function can be disabled inside the car with a factory fitted on off button. The VE is like any other car, it's not a fly by wire fighter jet aircraft the relies on its computer controlled system to keep it from falling out of the sky. The ESP isn't an integral part of the cars design to make it safe to drive, if it was it wouldn't have an on off switch.
The ABS cannot be turned off, so fitting too large a size tyre will hinder its operation and therefore made illegal.
Reaper
sexy beast
Wait so FE2 is still allowed or not?
Tells it like it is.
Fe2 (and 3 for that matter) is fine as long as the ESP program is calibrated for such suspension option. I have no idea if the ESP program is different between suspension options or not.
Reaper
ORLY??? I'm sure they're standard FE2 if you check
ReaperAt no stage did vicarious mention the make of police car he was referring to. All he stated was lower than standard police cars. Could be talking about a Falcon but you're sure it has FE2 fitted. And again, insurance companies don't weasel their way out of claims because of illegal mods.it entirely depends on the situation of the crash. If ESP failure was found to be a contributing factor then very much YES!
Never said any such thing. Not seen even 1 Falcon with FE2 yet
Reaper
Tells it like it is.
Of ffs - The whole thread is about VE Commodores.To spell it out for the eternally daft: If it's a Commodore it'll be FE2. If it's some other model it'll be something else
And if said illegal mod was found to be contributing to said crash then I'll very much beg to differ with your last sentence.
Reaper
Last edited by Reaper; 24-11-2011 at 07:09 AM.
ain't lowering my ute anytime soon thats for sure! thanks reap!
Yo.
sexy beast
####en hellim really upset was gonna go ssl all round......
I'm a sceptic...
I'm in NSW but my insurance company knows about my mods. I pay a slightly higher premium and everybody's happy...
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