ve sv6 ultra low. Do you need shocks??

[indayy]

Hey guys,
Want to lower my VE. Goin for that sacked look at the back. so im planning to go ssl fronts and sssl rears. Just wondering whether you need shocks initially? cos im low on cash atm. Anyone know what i should be paying for the 4 springs and labour.

Appreciate the help,
Indyy

[Voodoo ute]

EBAY, should be able to pick up a set for $220. Unsure about the labour prob couple hundred or do it yourself. Its not that hard Just remember to get a wheel alignment after. As for the shocks if ya low on cash keep the same ones till they wear out, but it will save one the long run doing them all at once

[indayy]

thanks for the quick reply mate.. one more question

how long will the stock shocks last?
thanks again

[TinSnips]

Not very long. And something to keep in mind is that when you lower a car but don't change the shocks, you lose part of the travel of the shock absorber - so if it bottoms out (it will) you effectively lose traction to that wheel. I lowered mine and kept the shocks - will be binning the stock shocks ASAP. Big mistake not to change them at the same time.

[RiCeY]

Dont phuck around, your suspension and tyres are what keep you on the road.

Fit the correct shocks for the springs.

[TrikkBen]

Lowering any VE is illegal unless you can prove the ESC has been re-calibrated to work with the different geometry.

Thanks Reaper.

Ben

[RiCeY]

Lowering any VE is illegal unless you can prove the ESC has been re-calibrated to work with the different geometry.

Thanks Reaper.

Ben

Never heard of anyone being defected because they couldnt prove the ESP had been calibrated LOL. You get defected because the car is below the legal height limit. How do you propose one recalibrates the ESP?

ESP works off wheel speed sensors and yaw rate, ride height is irrelevent. You lower the car, the EBCM still calculates from ride height and yaw rate. If the car responds differently due to firmer suspension the EBCM simply adjusts accordingly.

[TrikkBen]

Never heard of anyone being defected because they couldnt prove the ESP had been calibrated LOL. You get defected because the car is below the legal height limit. How do you propose one recalibrates the ESP?

ESP works off wheel speed sensors and yaw rate, ride height is irrelevent. You lower the car, the EBCM still calculates from ride height and yaw rate. If the car responds differently due to firmer suspension the EBCM simply adjusts accordingly.

Exactly.....

For those in Victoria wanting to slam their VE (or even slightly lower it :))

Explain your dribble to Vicroads.

[Kernal]

My standard shocks lasted for 3 years after i lowered my car. And that was only the rears, fronts are still going strong.

And when i changed them I just went with standard KYBs. My car is quite low and the ride is still beautiful.

Its one of those parts where the 'if it ain't broke don't change it' rule comes into play.

[RiCeY]

Exactly.....

For those in Victoria wanting to slam their VE (or even slightly lower it :))

Explain your dribble to Vicroads.

Just because you lack the intelligence to comprehend what I say doesnt mean its dribble.

[RiCeY]

My standard shocks lasted for 3 years after i lowered my car. And that was only the rears, fronts are still going strong.

And when i changed them I just went with standard KYBs. My car is quite low and the ride is still beautiful.

Its one of those parts where the 'if it ain't broke don't change it' rule comes into play.

Maybe if youre an idiot. So going by your logic I fit a LS9 to my car but dont fit better brakes because "they aint broke".

You change the springs dramatically ie the op going for SSSLs, you also fit the appropriate shocks. Its common sense.

[TrikkBen]

Just because you lack the intelligence to comprehend what I say doesnt mean its dribble.

No, it's no that all. It's dribble because I don't really care what you have to say, either way I'm right.

[Voodoo ute]

thanks for the quick reply mate.. one more question

how long will the stock shocks last?
thanks again

Probly not long. but in my last ride I had the same set up and they lasted for three years ( and was rough). But, if your going that low I probly would Change the shocks straight up as they are a bitch to change your self!

[Kernal]

Maybe if youre an idiot. So going by your logic I fit a LS9 to my car but dont fit better brakes because "they aint broke".

You change the springs dramatically ie the op going for SSSLs, you also fit the appropriate shocks. Its common sense.

How many times have you heard of shocks failing due to upgrading to lowered springs?

Maybe if you could read properly you'd be able to understand the first part on my last sentence.

[UFO]

My standard shocks lasted for 3 years after i lowered my car. And that was only the rears, fronts are still going strong.

And when i changed them I just went with standard KYBs. My car is quite low and the ride is still beautiful.

Its one of those parts where the 'if it ain't broke don't change it' rule comes into play.

Dude, I'm sorry but I completely disagree.
Buying replacement standard shocks for a car that is "quite low" is a mistake. You may find the ride 'beautiful', but it wouldnt be close to what it's actually capable of.
Load up your lowered springs around a corner that is just a little bit bumpy, and then push a little more and you'll very quickly see how unstable stock shocks are with lowered springs. They just dont work the way they are supposed to, and youre kidding yourself if you think they do.

Lowered springs have a higher spring rate to compensate for the less room they have to travel than standard springs. Accordingly, the shock absorber needs to be 'tighter' to dampen the bump and rebound properly. Not only does the shock need to be a different spec, it needs to be shorter... because again, the operating range of movement is not going to be where the shock manufacturer designed it to be (the movement will be shorter and harder, and there's increased chance of actually hitting the bumpstops as you go lower and lower in ride height). Stock shocks are too soft for lowered springs.... plain and simple. Yeah they'll be fine for 95% of your daily driving, but push around a corner too hard on even slightly unstable surface and you'll quickly see how important that 5% is.

[UFO]

How many times have you heard of shocks failing due to upgrading to lowered springs?

It's not a matter of failing, its a matter of not working as they should.
They arent going to fall out of the car, but handling will most definitely suffer.... and that's when things can go from bad to worse.
Proper shocks matched to the new springs might save you the stained undies of losing control in the first place.

[Troy711]

Goin for that sacked look at the back.

Wtf? No wonder people call the current generation of kids/teens brain dead when they say stupid shit like 'sacked'.

[RiCeY]

No, it's no that all. It's dribble because I don't really care what you have to say, either way I'm right.

In your own mind. But you continue living life being scared to do any modifications because in reality they are all illegal.

[TrikkBen]

In your own mind. But you continue living life being scared to do any modifications because in reality they are all illegal.

You argue that it's not illegal, then you tell me they're all illegal. Make up your mind.

You continue living your life as a douche..

[RiCeY]

You argue that it's not illegal, then you tell me they're all illegal. Make up your mind.

You continue living your life as a douche..

Ahh me keyboard warrior.

Where did I say it wasnt illegal? I said I had never heard of anyone being done for that reason and that you cant recalibrate the ESP so your whole arguement is pointless.

I live my life using logic and common sence, not being a scared little faggot like yourself who shits bricks at every piece of legislation passed by our incompetent government.

[astroham]

Lol troll ...

As for the shocks ... Probably a good idea to change them ssl front isn't too bad but the sssl in the rear is pretty low ... I jaw the same size and I'm glad I changed mine ... Just don't buy shitty shocks like munroe or something

[clubby_you]

I'm also about to lower my VE ! I was going for sl or ssl "see how much room i have when the 22's get fitted" all around but I have a Calais v with fe2 suspension.
Do you guys still think it is req to get shortened struts and shocks even with the fe2 suspension?
Cheers Doug.

[TinSnips]

I'm also about to lower my VE ! I was going for sl or ssl "see how much room i have when the 22's get fitted" all around but I have a Calais v with fe2 suspension.
Do you guys still think it is req to get shortened struts and shocks even with the fe2 suspension?
Cheers Doug.

Assuming you keep the correct rolling diameter with your tyre (which you can't do legally in any way with 22s, incidentally) - you'll have pretty much the same amount of room as you do with your stockies. The inside bits change, the outside stays the same. The idea of 20s filling the guards better in profile is a visual thing, rather than the wheel and tyre actually taking up more space. The only thing that may or may not impact 'space' is your offset or width - which you should have a pretty good idea of before buying the wheels.

[clubby_you]

Assuming you keep the correct rolling diameter with your Tyre (which you can't do legally in any way with 22s, incidentally) - you'll have pretty much the same amount of room as you do with your stockies. The inside bits change, the outside stays the same. The idea of 20s filling the guards better in profile is a visual thing, rather than the wheel and Tyre actually taking up more space. The only thing that may or may not impact 'space' is your offset or width - which you should have a pretty good idea of before buying the wheels.

Umm ok ... you kinda just contradicted yourself in saying the wheels are bigger then stock overall diameter
but dont effect the clearances when lowering ...anywayyyyy ..
I would like to know if the fe2 shocks/struts are more suited to lowering opposed to the standard suspension ?
Cheers Doug

[TinSnips]

??? what contradiction? Wheels size goes up, tyre profile goes down - so the rolling diameter, the outside bit of the tyre, is the same - whether you have 18s,19s, 20s, etc. It legally has to be the same, so that your speedo isn't out. So no change in clearance between tyre and guard - like I said, it's not unless you're changing offsets or widths that it can become an issue.

FE2 struts are suited to FE2 springs - they're not short shocks, so if you're lowering, you will bottom out (I have FE2 shocks with pedders springs and it's rubbish) - FE2 shocks are also matched to the spring rate of the FE2 springs - not the higher spring rates of aftermarket springs.