Supercharger for LLT (SIDI)
Thought I might share this, found it while doing some research on the SIDI engine. Enjoy.
View topic - RX Super Charger for the LLT!! :: Bowtie V6 - 5th Gen Camaro V6 Tech Forum, 2010 Camaro V6, 2011 Camaro V6, Camaro 3.6l, Camaro llt
Moderator Puppeh
*awaits the obligatory 'get a V8' comments*
Growing Old Disgracefully
Don't CAPA make a kit for them?
Reviled did i live as evil i did deliveR
- UNDERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the front of the car.
- OVERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the rear.
- HORSEPOWER is how fast you hit the wall.
- TORQUE is how far you take the wall with you.
..........Originally Posted by Troy711
Right Foot Action
I really don't get you moderators.....you'll close threads because of the V6/V8 forum users going head to head and now you want the comments???????????
Moderator Puppeh
Pricing is about $7000 + $500 for the meth kit. And that includes everything I was just reading. Powerwise between 400rwhp-450rwhp (300rwkw +) and not sure if that was with the other mods listed in the first post or stand alone. Some good numbers for a supercharged V6 though! Wouldn't fit the SV6 here though without some serious modding.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
I Believe
[old man rant]
I have an SIDI, and I can appreciate people wanting to bolt on some force feeding... but for the cost, the headaches, and reliability issues you'll face later on, it's just not worth it folks.
In my younger days, I went completely nuts on a previous car. At first it was just going to be a small turbo conversion.... low boost, stock internals, nice and 'easy'.
Then you do just a tad more... why not, because you've already spent thousands.... what's a few more right?
Then reliability of the rest of the drivetrain starts to become an issue. Clutch, drive shafts, new dogbox sans syncros- straight cut gears will be stronger, no more daily driving though.
Now the ignition system is the weakest link.... lets change that. That will help with the more aggresive tuning and since the engine internals are being changed, adds a little insurance to the block with misfiring and the like.
Then when you finish upgrading them, you're thinking.... "well now the drivetrain is up to speed- lets go for more power!"
Then the brake and suspension upgrade you did round 1 with the turbo install isnt cutting it, so in go some bigger stoppers and coilovers.
Ah shit... but now the rims dont fit. No worries, Compomotive make some rims that'll fit.... and plus they'll be much lighter. Sweet.
Since we are saving weight, lets rip out everything inside (backseats, lining, audio gear etc) and change 2 front seats to lightweight race versions.
And before you know it, you've spent way more on the car that you ever thought you would- and need to spend more buying another car as a daily driver (because unless you can see your modified weapon 24/7 you arent parking it at some railway station or shopping center). So now you are maintaining 2 cars.... a POS you hate driving, and a weapon that you love driving but cant. As an extra kick in the nuts, the money you spent could have bought a brand new car that with a few simple mods could be just as quick but worth 5 times as much and still be more comfortable to drive every day.
Then you got insurance and engineering hassles.
Believe me folks.... dont do it.
Dont start.
Because more serious car modding is like cocaine.... once you start its a very slippery slope down. Doing little mods like exhausts and stuff is fine.
But strapping on turbos and superchargers.... oh man, you get that extra kick and you ALWAYS want just a little bit more.
Economy = SIDI.
Power = V8.
You want power (and then potential for force feeding on top), start with a base car more suitable.
The money, time, headache, and yes even a little guilt you save by just swapping cars will be HUGE in the long run.
I'm not a V8 owner. Never have been. But I've flogged the crap out of a car mod wise that had no business doing what it could do... and whilst the experience was heavenly, what I could have done with that money instead would have been even better.
Dont do it.
You want more power from a 6, sell it and get an 8.
It'll be cheaper, it'll be worth more, easier to insure, more reliable, and as a side benefit wont stick out like dogs balls at a carpark.
Yeah yeah... I know the arguements, "but I want to be different!". "I want a 6 that'll beat an 8!"
Sure.... but are those bragging rights really worth it?
Who you trying to impress?
[/end old man rant]
Last edited by UFO; 05-01-2012 at 07:39 PM.
How the hell is putting a supercharger on a daily the same as turning it into a pure bred drag car?? You mention two different brake upgrades, two different lowering upgrades, two different turbo setups, rebuild the engine, trans, clutch, two different sets of rims, ripping everything out of the car etc. You make it sound like the hypothetical person isn't going to do the exact same thing to a V8, and probably end up spending more (BIGGER AFTERMARKET)
If anything a supercharged SV6 would be the better daily driver choice. No suprises this had already turned into another V8 vs V6 thread. STFU!!
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Surely You Jest
Oh Kuz bit more mellow dude you'll blow a foofa-valve. I'm sure UFO was just trying highlight what issues one might face when you go down a FI road (to the extreme). I'm still pretty keen on the S/C option for mine as I think it will be a cracker and the existing hardware will probably cope with moderate boost although the current SV6 brakes are not good enough and I also have some concerns about the auto trans. Nice to see there are two companies having a crack in the US. I wrote to CAPA the other day to see if they were still going to put a kit together for the SIDI (they said it was on the cards 6mths ago) but am yet to hear back. 300RWKW would be nice though.
Last edited by Jarp; 05-01-2012 at 09:08 PM.
I Believe
You're telling me to STFU for no reason, as you've obviously completely missed the point of my post but decided to insult me anyway.
You're an idiot, and I'm not going to dignify your stupidity by wasting any more of my time by responding to it.
.
Last edited by UFO; 05-01-2012 at 10:16 PM.
The Commodore Enthusiast
I will just be happy to get a little bit more oopmh in my sv6 (what jarp has currently will do nicely) just a little bit more go and fun and retain a bit of economy. If I wanted to I could walk into holden tomorrow and walk out with a brand new ssv and only pay 18k out of my own pocket (loan), with my car as a trade in of 21k and the benefits of my grandfathers gold card from holden as a long service workman and the current job status i have yeah the v8 option would be more plausible in most eyes, but i have decided to keep what i have be out of debt (current loan....nearly there!) and put my money in a more worth while investment... a house.
I heard the V8 badges give it an extra 50hp!
Think about it,
UFO has a point! When you start moding very few things will stop you.
Is this it?
UFO, your moronic rant had little do to with the topic. IE SIDI SUPERCHARGER not a hypothetical douchelord spending 40k + on car mods. Calling me an idiot yet you wasted 30 minutes writing the stupid post in the first place. So I'll say it again STFU, the 'get a V8' posts are getting tiresome.
Back on topic.
Jarp, I'll lend Steve the CAPA S/C bracket off mine and let him see what needs to be done to mod it (if even possible). 300-325rwkw would be nice from a supercharger. Would behave nicely on the street as well. The guy with the kit I have had it on an auto Calais for over a year on 10 psi and the trans held up fine. Dynomotive reckons 12psi+ and you'd need to start strengthening the trans. Good thing about centrifugals is they are linear (ie not instant boost) so much easier on drive train. And around town without boost will behave close to a stocker. Just check with your insurance first, NRMA are only bumping up my insurance by $53 a year which is awesome as opposed to almost 1k extra on an 8.
And yeah fair enough SV666, nothing wrong with keeping your 6 (as opposed to what they tell you on here). Btw my gf lives in South Morang, that place is hoon central lol.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Surely You Jest
Thanks for that Kuzman might be very useful. Not sure the CAPA solution is going to work on the SIDI due to this (quote taken from the Camaro S/C developer write up on View topic - RX Super Charger for the LLT!! :: Bowtie V6 - 5th Gen Camaro V6 Tech Forum, 2010 Camaro V6, 2011 Camaro V6, Camaro 3.6l, Camaro llt)
"I suspect they may be experiancing the crankcase issues every other LLT FI system has had (except ours). We have sold I think every STS or other customer our dual valve system to cure their issues with success that have posted on the big site and another is shipping his car here now for us to do the same.
The LLT/LFX crankcase evac system from the factory is barely able to provide proper evac & breathing bone stock, and so with any FI it is a involved solution and looking at the other systems that come in every vendor is going about it all wrong ...causing even more issues"
Ahh fair enough, keep in mind the Camaro's never had the LY7 (alloytec) so this may have been an issue with the alloytecs as well that CAPA may have rectified. Also there are some slight differences between the commodore SIDI and the Camaro SIDI. May not be an issue with your car? Just some thoughts.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Surely You Jest
Noticed this post today IPF Tuning - Company Info - SC Details, Unanswered Questions - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com so thought I'd pop it up. So as a quick reference IPF sell supercharger kits for the LLT and LFX Camaro for US$5695 including tune and intercooler(8-10hrs fit time). System produces 300+FWKW and 450Nm. Question is would it bolt up to a VE and of course is it worth it or not (although can imagine where this may go)?
He has a whole lifetime to buy a v8 man...
Looks like the v8 owners hit a few nerves when it comes to v6 vs v8 because simply they cannot believe that the sv6 is slowly reaching (from factory) the power of a current ss and from just a simple s/c upgrade for more power.
Its really sad to see "some" people talk Sh!t and ruin nice threads about v6 upgrades on this forum. If you have the decency, just read the thread and not act like little girls that know everything.
We don't vandalize your threads and post Sh!t on them, we expect the same from you guys. If its hard to take into consideration, then you got issues, go see a psychiatrist.
Cammed & Eventualy Blown!
Haha, I'm going to go and troll a V8 thread and drop: "don't waste your time, get a V10"
Please do ha ha, I will definately like that thread. Anyone happen to own a v10 of any sort ha ha
Surely You Jest
LOL...yeah I'm not that sensitive. CAPA do a kit for the VE (not SIDI specific) utilising an older version of s/c V2 Vortech whereas this US kit uses a V3 Vortech. The CAPA one is a $1000 more and doesn't include tune. Would be nice if an Australian company got a little more competetive and produced a kit for the DI.
Last edited by Jarp; 13-05-2012 at 08:49 AM. Reason: Spelling
Take it out/Take it Back
Quite hypocritical really, you seem to spend most of your time on this forum from what i've seen trying to force down peoples throats that the V6 is now just as good, and soon will be better than a V8 with just a "Simple S/C Upgrade"
An upgrade that costs nearly $8,000. Put $8,000 into a V8 and you'll leave a stock V6 way behind. Atleast...that's the comparison you were making. Modified v Stock.
If you dont want people to turn threads into V6 v V8 then stop exagerating and making up bogus stats that are just asking for a reply.
Im just stating the obvious, just like your reply to my comment, I don't see any bogus stats on this thread, i see real proven numbers for the v6.
My reply towards you guys vandalizing v6 threads are clear, as i said, you got issues, and apparently YOU have proven them once again, you just don't know when to stop.
Now that you mentioned it, yes lately i haven't been talking much on v6 threads and have been chasing down immature people like you BECAUSE you ruin v6 threads and the
person wanting to know more about his car, you put him down and tell him its not worth it, when it is, but the sizes of your brains must be too small to input more data.
Once again you have proven my point in my previous threads.
At the end of the day, the v6 owner cares about the v6 he currently drives, doesn't give a shit about the v8's yet. He has a whole lifetime to buy one if he wants.
If or when he buys one then he will give a shit cause that would be his current car to upgrade.
Last edited by ClairBear; 13-05-2012 at 06:16 PM. Reason: Evading swear filter
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