LSD or mini spool

[bensta]

can i have your opinions on which is better
lsd or a mini spool? i
i dont know much about them, could you please tell me the majour differnces and what you think would be better to chuck in my diff, it have a stock vl diff ,
cheers

[Bax]

minispool, cheap, does the job a little too well and illegal
lsd, dearer, does the job when you want it too but isn't as bad as the minispool during normal driving. and legal.

[bensta]

mmmm hard choice really, i think i will go down and get some prices on the lsd, mmmm

[VT-565]

mini spool...a hundred bucks...does the job pretty well, but it's far from indestructible, especially if you only have a two pin diff....limited slip, good stuff, legal but it will cost you at least four times more for a rebuilt unit...make sure it has higher poundage cone springs if you are going the way of a holden lsd.....i am actually going to try a mini spool in a couple of weeks, see how the tyres wear in normal driving.....

[bensta]

i added you to my budy list if thats ok, let me no how it goes with the mini spool, i was also concerd about the inner wheel skipping when cornering putting alot more strain on the back end isnt it and can cause damage ???

[HDT_aero]

if you got expensive tyres and dont wanna replace them all the time you needa get lsd like me

spools are good fun but not good for everyday driving

[VT-565]

i guess it all depends on the amount of sharp turns you do in your every day driving....i dont have ultra expensive tyres so it's not that bad.....i just want to try one for interests sake...nothing stopping me from slotting an lsd in later on down the track....i just like the idea of positive traction on BOTH wheels ALL the time....

[bensta]

if you got expensive tyres and dont wanna replace them all the time you needa get lsd like me

spools are good fun but not good for everyday driving

well iam proboly getting some mags soon, so tires will start to get expensive, 17 or 18 inch mags,....
i have been looking around on price of lsd, does 1k sound right to use guys ? thanks for all the help to

[STEALTHY™]

I love these minispool threads....so misguided.

OK, i've been daily driving locked diffs for nearly 3 years now. Whoever told you they scrub out tyres, is full of crap, and probably never even driven a car with a locked diff. If they have, they've had some major suspension issues. The ONLY tyre issues you'll have, is the inclanation(if thats even a word) to do more burnouts, for the simple fact you can!
Yes they 'skip' around corners, but a tightly shimmed LSD will do the same. But with that, there's more parts to an LSD to break, clutches etc, spool or LSD, you still have axles, and maybe ever a tailshaft issue. Only problem i've had, was one axle snapped, but that was because i was cheap and put in 2nd hand axles, now both are brand new.

Personally, LSDs are too unreliable, sure for the first 2 months there fun, but not long after they'll start to spin one wheel, and you've wasted $1000s. At least with a spool, your garunteed EVERY time, both wheels will spin, i've seen too many mates cars smashed because they thought it was gonna spin 2 wheels. They all now have spools!

Spools are illegal, but then again, so is speeding, burnouts, technically any aftermarket modification is illegal, so go for it!

Last but not least, Lifes Pretty Straight Without a Minispool

[bensta]

hey thanks for your postand telling me about your expericnce with mini spools,
and i guess thats try about the lsd, if it breaks its 1k, were a mini spool is what, a few hundred dollar, mm, thanks man

[VT-565]

on top of that, a full spool is the way to go if you can afford it....do you have a minispool or full spool stealthy?

[STEALTHY™]

on top of that, a full spool is the way to go if you can afford it....do you have a minispool or full spool stealthy?

Only a minispool, my diff is from a later model and is bigger than a VP diff, and there isn't a full spool made in that size yet!

[VT-565]

so what sort of diff are you using? whats it in?

[bensta]

whats the differnce between a full spool and a mini spool ?

[VT-565]

a mini spool goes inside your diff casing and replaces the spider gears and clutch pack, so essentially you are still using the diff casing and pinions whereas a full spool replaces everything except your crownwheel and pinion. the crownwheel bolts to the full spool and the axles slide in either side of it. very strong. you would probably smash the gear set before you damage the spool.

[VT-565]

http://www.ring-pinion.com/content/t...lt.asp?pid=128 this explains things even better......no diagrams though

[STEALTHY™]

a mini spool goes inside your diff casing and replaces the spider gears and clutch pack, so essentially you are still using the diff casing and pinions whereas a full spool replaces everything except your crownwheel and pinion. the crownwheel bolts to the full spool and the axles slide in either side of it. very strong. you would probably smash the gear set before you damage the spool.

thats exactly what happened with me. I'm running a Diff out of a Series III monaro, the housing is out of a GTO apparently. Those gears are 8 1/4in compared to the 7.5in in the VP. I snapped 2 sets of VP gears, so my diff builder tried a prtotype late model diff, and so far, only snapped one axle. Like i said earlier though, that was because i was cheap and got 2nd hand axles, but the gears are fine, and no other problems since. They might even have a full spool for the bigger diff now, but 'if it aint broke, don't fix it' sorta thing. Also still wanna use my 'lifes pretty straight without a minispool' line, just wouldn't be right with fullspool

[HDT_aero]

why would you be spinning the wheels in an lsd i see it as better traction of the line not for f...ing burnouts.....

so i guess if you wanna do burnouts then go the spool if you just want traction get lsd

[STEALTHY™]

why would you be spinning the wheels in an lsd i see it as better traction of the line not for f...ing burnouts.....

so i guess if you wanna do burnouts then go the spool if you just want traction get lsd

No need to get agressive now. Just take a walk don't to any top fuel meet, ask the mechanics what diff they have, and i garuntee you they'll say spool. appart from being proven better for traction, and more reliable, the stats speak for them selves.

No offence, but you seem somewhat misinformed about the situation. hey, why not even go down and speak to the owners of the V8 Brutes, you'll find they also run spools for the races.

Thanks for playing!

[VT-565]

what i dont understand is the misconception aero is under that you get more traction with an lsd than a spool?....i strongly advise aero to take a peek at the link i posted earlier in this thread.....may the mysteries unravel themselves...lol

[HDT_aero]

what i dont understand is the misconception aero is under that you get more traction with an lsd than a spool?....i strongly advise aero to take a peek at the link i posted earlier in this thread.....may the mysteries unravel themselves...lol

ok guys i wasnt saying lsd gives MORE traction i said its FOR better traction, presuming that the guy contemplating what to get is gonna be driving on the street with this car. i never said a spool wont give you better traction than an lsd.

[STEALTHY™]

ok guys i wasnt saying lsd gives MORE traction i said its FOR better traction, presuming that the guy contemplating what to get is gonna be driving on the street with this car. i never said a spool wont give you better traction than an lsd.

way to contradict yourself. Either way you look at it, a spool is better. Theres no tyre scrubbing as some 'think' and it barely increases your turning circle, even though i have a unique turning circle, i call it 'on the spot'.

Fact is, LSDs have some play in them, where'as a spool is 50% power to each wheel every time. Apart from being very unreliable, as not everyone has $3000 budget just for a diff, spools are cheaper, more fun, and garuntee'd 2 wheels everytime. I know more people with spools as dailys who never do burnouts, but swear by spools, as i do!

[bensta]

hey thanks for the link you posted, it was alot of help

[blown hsv]

stealthy i have 3.9s lsd on my vs 5ltr superchrged clubsport for 3 yrs so far no problem with it as with your mates crashing with the lsd not working wouldn`t they crash more with the spool as always locked you would go more sideways or can`t your mates drive in a straight. line no offence but thats how it sounds to me

[STEALTHY™]

stealthy i have 3.9s lsd on my vs 5ltr superchrged clubsport for 3 yrs so far no problem with it as with your mates crashing with the lsd not working wouldn`t they crash more with the spool as always locked you would go more sideways or can`t your mates drive in a straight. line no offence but thats how it sounds to me

No offence taken, but i should clear afew things up

Thats not it at all. Its the fact of driving the car for so long, and predicting where its going to be, then she suddenly spins one wheel, and welcome to pole city! My thoughts are the same for Auto's, i've driven both in all different cars (yes these 'mates') and the guys with LSDs hate them. Personally, i like the garunteed 2 wheels spinning, and belive me, its nothing to do with being able to drive. Many times i've taken out my 'mates' VS 5 Speed with a Turbo, that thing has more power than my cars, but the LSD is letting it down. one corner she's a one wheeler, next corner she's a 2 wheeler. Me myself i know the dangers, so my mates car was never at risk. LOok at it this way, if for some wierd reason, thieves stole my spool and put an LSD in my car, I'd be ****ed, as i know exactly how my car reacts to my foot. This was never ment to be a 'LSDs are crap' thread, as with the right amount of money spent, there fine, but for this guy a spool would seem better, i don't know his finacial situation, but me i would never consider spening $1000s on a diff when $120 will do a better job.