new members doomed to early deaths

[harry3]

its sad to have new VL members who can only think of increasing their engines power, really for an inexperienced driver, 200 kph from the standard 6n cyl version is more than enough

a recent story is typical, young driver gets VL auto wagon and despite no license yet, cant resist showing off to his mates and floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter, new wheel and tyre needed and hopefully no other damage done, the cops didnt find out and luckily no other cars nearby

an auto is more dangerous than manual for hooning, unless its locked into each gear you want
we all know younger VL owners will graduate to being professional champion race car drivers but the VL is basicly overpowered so take time to learn how to handle the power, if you simply must modify your VL, a LSDiff is the first thing to get, IMO

[Rusty]

its sad to have new VL members who can only think of increasing their engines power, really for an inexperienced driver, 200 kph from the standard 6n cyl version is more than enough

a recent story is typical, young driver gets VL auto wagon and despite no license yet, cant resist showing off to his mates and floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter, new wheel and tyre needed and hopefully no other damage done, the cops didnt find out and luckily no other cars nearby

an auto is more dangerous than manual for hooning, unless its locked into each gear you want
we all know younger VL owners will graduate to being professional champion race car drivers but the VL is basicly overpowered so take time to learn how to handle the power, if you simply must modify your VL, a LSDiff is the first thing to get, IMO

Depends who you ask, i had a modified 6L V8 at 18 and still alive today!

Idiots will continue to hoon and kill themselves regardless of car or power. I also wouldn't say a VL is basically overpowered for an inexperienced driver at all. Vl is 114kw factory, given its age and deterioration it would be about the same power as a suzuki swift?

[Pickle']

Lol.........

[HamaTime™]

its sad to have new VL members who can only think of increasing their engines power, really for an inexperienced driver, 200 kph from the standard 6n cyl version is more than enough

a recent story is typical, young driver gets VL auto wagon and despite no license yet, cant resist showing off to his mates and floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter, new wheel and tyre needed and hopefully no other damage done, the cops didnt find out and luckily no other cars nearby

an auto is more dangerous than manual for hooning, unless its locked into each gear you want
we all know younger VL owners will graduate to being professional champion race car drivers but the VL is basicly overpowered so take time to learn how to handle the power, if you simply must modify your VL, a LSDiff is the first thing to get, IMO

Let me get it straight, your saying that the first mod anyone should do to a VL is an LSD?

It take a while to wind up a stock 3L VL to 200kph, they aren't fast at all without a turbo.

Not sure how you make the assumption that an auto is more dangerous despite your example?

[GRPABT1]

but the VL is basicly overpowered

Lololololololololol!

[walesy]

blah blah blah, random crap from out of nowhere

cool story bro

[detox_nath83]

hahaha... NA is gutless. i see what ur saying about auto kicks down and goes nuts, to break the "Drive wheel"

apposed to a manual where it wont kick down as such.... unless u do it....

but as u said "Showing Off" = Being a fkn Tool IMHO inexperience is exactly what ur saying,, but any car can kill u if your an idiot...

[Reaper]

Let me get it straight, your saying that the first mod anyone should do to a VL is an LSD?

Really the first mod anybody should do to a VL is crush it. The best VL is one that is less than 300mm thick.

Reaper

[GRPABT1]

An LSD is more dangerous than an open wheeler in the hands of a noob.

And I spent my P's with 400hp in a VN not everyone is a stereotype

[87RB30VL]

Really the first mod anybody should do to a VL is crush it. The best VL is one that is less than 300mm thick.

Reaper

Reaper, you really hate VL's don't you :P

I know what people mean with the kick down, hell, I've done it around a corner before and it scared the shit out of me the first time, but you get used to it. It does feel pretty scary driving at 60 and flooring it

[detox_nath83]

wait till u turb it, NA has nothing b4 it. MWAHAHAHAHA

[Reaper]

Reaper, you really hate VL's don't you :P

There are only 2 that I would even contemplate owning.

Reaper

[HamaTime™]

Really the first mod anybody should do to a VL is crush it. The best VL is one that is less than 300mm thick.

Reaper

Uh Huh. Agreed, I should probably crush my VL wagon soon LOL.

Only decent VL is a walkinshaw, I know they look like a plastic tub but I see a bit of attraction in them. I'd never own one though.... Only decent car out of a pack of disgusting looking cars.

[rb26dett]

Been a while since you started a thread like this Harry, your slipping.

[monkeys437]

its sad to have new VL members who can only think of increasing their engines power, really for an inexperienced driver, 200 kph from the standard 6n cyl version is more than enough

a recent story is typical, young driver gets VL auto wagon and despite no license yet, cant resist showing off to his mates and floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter, new wheel and tyre needed and hopefully no other damage done, the cops didnt find out and luckily no other cars nearby

an auto is more dangerous than manual for hooning, unless its locked into each gear you want
we all know younger VL owners will graduate to being professional champion race car drivers but the VL is basicly overpowered so take time to learn how to handle the power, if you simply must modify your VL, a LSDiff is the first thing to get, IMO

Surely you troll sir. Stock VL's are slugs and seeing as P-platers these days need 120hrs practice before getting behind the wheel I'd say it takes a few days MAX to get bored with the lack of power. Sure, lack of experience is an issue with decision making, reading conditions and predicting driver behavior. But struggling to cope with the might of a 100kW 25 year old 6? Don't make me laugh

[Reaper]

Uh Huh. Agreed, I should probably crush my VL wagon soon LOL.

Only decent VL is a walkinshaw, I know they look like a plastic tub but I see a bit of attraction in them. I'd never own one though.... Only decent car out of a pack of disgusting looking cars.

Urf - Plastic pigs are the worst of them.

Reaper

[nasty1]

I guess id hate getting eatin by a vl to

[wraith]

Obvious troll is obvious. In his post he says and I quote "floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter" Um drops several gears? Righto then.

[87RB30VL]

Obvious troll is obvious. In his post he says and I quote "floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter" Um drops several gears? Righto then.

I dunno about you, but when I'm cruising down the freeway, I floor it, drop down from 12th to 8th gear, then manually push my overdrive button to drop down another several gears to 3rd, and smoke a huge 1-wheeled black mark all down the freeway from brissy to cairns!

[Clutchy]

its sad to have new VL members who can only think of increasing their engines power, really for an inexperienced driver, 200 kph from the standard 6n cyl version is more than enough

a recent story is typical, young driver gets VL auto wagon and despite no license yet, cant resist showing off to his mates and floors accelerator, trans drops several gears and presumably with all power going to one rear wheel, car is out of control and slams hard into gutter, new wheel and tyre needed and hopefully no other damage done, the cops didnt find out and luckily no other cars nearby

an auto is more dangerous than manual for hooning, unless its locked into each gear you want
we all know younger VL owners will graduate to being professional champion race car drivers but the VL is basicly overpowered so take time to learn how to handle the power, if you simply must modify your VL, a LSDiff is the first thing to get, IMO

Just because you cant drive dont mean everybody cant maybe do the rite thing like everybody has to and learn to drive befor you go takin ya mums car out and think its a drag car.

[DAKSTER]

Surely you troll sir. Stock VL's are slugs and seeing as P-platers these days need 120hrs practice before getting behind the wheel I'd say it takes a few days MAX to get bored with the lack of power. Sure, lack of experience is an issue with decision making, reading conditions and predicting driver behavior. But struggling to cope with the might of a 100kW 25 year old V6? Don't make me laugh

I just wanna know what v6 Holden was using 25 years ago

As for being bored with the lack of power.. suck it up princess. P platers shouldnt have power. Never mind the bloody stereotypes I am sick of hearing them.

The bottom line is that like anything else in life, you have to progress up the ladder.

You dont get left to do heart surgery unsupervised the day after you get your medical degree. You dont get to be CEO of Woolies the day after you graduate from business school.

You dont attempt to swim the English Channel after 3 swimming lessons.

You dont get to have control of 2 tons of steel with masses of horsepower after 120 hrs of driving like a granny to impress your instructor. Theres a bridge to cross first. Get over it. Everyone else had to.

[monkeys437]

I just wanna know what v6 Holden was using 25 years ago

The good old Nissan 0 degree V6

[Verynice]

bow down's VL is where its at

just sayin'

[wraith]

Dakster are you aware the day you get your opens your allowed to jump straight into a 1000 hp car after driving a low powered car. I would rather p platers have the options of driving what they want. Stupid people will always be stupid people.

[DAKSTER]

Dakster are you aware the day you get your opens your allowed to jump straight into a 1000 hp car after driving a low powered car. I would rather p platers have the options of driving what they want. Stupid people will always be stupid people.

Agreed in principle. I advocate graded licenses, but that doesnt mean someone will automatically upgrade their car too, so its entirely possible that some can go from a 120Y to a Supra with no prior experience of real power.

What it does mean however is that the driver has gained some real world experience at driving. He or she has encountered sudden problems that need to be dealt with, had the occasional low powered lose or whatever, had to swerve to avoid grannys and cats, had to stop in a hurry on a wet road in traffic, etc.

Its hardly ideal but at least they have SOME experience before they get the 1000hp beast. I'm sorry I just dont see how allowing them to have it earlier is somehow safer than making them wait.

I think graded licenses are the way to go, and each upgrade should have to be earned with practical driving tests rather than just be automatic based on how long you wore a gay plate. Each level of license would have higher requirements, and your example 1000hp car would require serious advanced driver training for you to be allowed to drive it.

Its mostly the bitching I keep hearing about not being allowed more power on a red P plate that gets to me. Grow a brain kids, its the law, everyone has to put up with it. You aint special.