Turbo front brakes on an NA

[ucwepn]

Hey all I have scored some turbo front calipers and am going to get some 11" turbo discs and fit it all to the front of my NA, My question is this: Will I be able to use the stock master cylinder? as I have drums on the back, and I fit a 1" master cylinder will this be too strong for the drum brakes and cause them to lock easily? I know there is some gain to be had from fitting the vented finned calipers and larger disks and want to gain some braking power until I can afford to do the disc diff.

[seventh path]

you can't use a 1' master on drum rear end.....there's something different about them but i can't quite remember.....it would be best to buy a disc conversion kit and convert the rear to disc......then you can fit a 1' with no problems. as for the turbo calipers with the standard in my opinion they probably won't work all that well

[bangers]

i hear they work really well. so much so you don't need the rear discs unless you turbo or v8 it. get slotted discs too but not cross-drilled as the cross-drilled ones can crack between the holes.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

get slotted discs too but not cross-drilled as the cross-drilled ones can crack between the holes.

there are some new discs out that have holes casted in, when the moulds are made they have high spots in the moulds to make the same holes thats in drilled discs,
ive been toled these are strong and arnt prone to craken.

i hear they work really well. so much so you don't need the rear discs unless you turbo or v8 it.

is this referring to this \/

as for the turbo calipers with the standard in my opinion they probably won't work all that well

coz if u r that would awnser a question i had askd a while ago about using a standned VL master/booster with vt twinspots and 296mm discs

[bangers]

in answer to your vt twinspots i myself wouldn't bother. the new hubs needed change the offset of your wheels. plus the vl turbo brakes are more than enough to pull up your car. get the turbo discs then go to repco and get colour coded PBR calipers. they are twin spot too and just bolt on. and the coloured calipers look great behind nice open rims.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

the new hubs needed change the offset of your wheels.

how much dose the off set go out, would it cause 18s to rubb

get the turbo discs then go to repco and get colour coded PBR calipers.

WTF i thought i needed to getm from wreckers and i couldnt find any
how much rufferly are these not colour coded and colour coded

i got these vt 2wins spots and discs 4 free so i thought i would try using them

[burnz]

i don't wonna state the ovios you need to change the hub as well
otherwise the caliper wont clear the rotor

[bangers]

i don't wonna state the ovios you need to change the hub as well
otherwise the caliper wont clear the rotor

thats what i said, the new hubs change the wheel offset. now as for 18s rubbing, it depends on the offset of the rim and if the car is lowered or not and if so how much is it lowered by. some rims it's a no go, some you can roll the lip of the wheel arch and others you might have to flare the guards abit. if you have to flare the guard its not worth it cos the paint will crack and you'll have to respray them. if you have the vt ones there for free you can give em a go. if the wheels rub then it'll be cheaper to do vl turbo brakes instead of get new rims. as for cost of colour coded PBR's its about $180 from memory including pads, and i haven't seen non colour coded ones. colour code looks really good, i've seen brand new Statesmans with them at Holden By Design workshop. There's black, red, and i *think* blue and also yellow. Not a great deal of cost difference once you take into account VT pads and also new hubs to suit. Plus VL discs are about $180 as well for the pair I *think*.

[ucwepn]

Sweet thats what I thought and I would like braided front brake lines as well to go with my turbo front brakes to reduce fade even more. I'm not a race car driver just like to give it a squirt sometimes and it would be nice to be able to stop harder as my car now goes harder.

I want to know about reconditioning calipers, like where can you buy the kits? is it something that can be done by me? and how much do they cost?

[ucwepn]

I have found this great "how to" by jetspin but all the photos are gone, whats up with that??
VL -> VLT Brake Conversion

[bangers]

you'd robably score a kit at repco or someother spareparts store. i wouldn't bother trying at autobarn or supercheap.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

cheers bangers, u anwserd my questions that no 1 else could and its much apricated

cheers sean

[bangers]

no worries, glad to help.

[rb26dett]

I have VT brakes on my VL, they are so much better it is not funny.

[bangers]

better than standard vl brakes, well i hope so. i just said they weren't necessary. vl turbo brakes are more than enough to pull up a n/a vl. People only put vt brakes on because they can. I'd go the VT's as well if i had a bullsh*t hot turbo that was pumping out 600 horsepower plus. But then again maybe not, the difference in disc size is tiny and you put twinspot PBR calipers on and they really are just as good.

[Bax]

How much are the twinspot PBR calipers?

[bangers]

hey bex. from memory they are 180 including pads. don't quote me on that. just call repco.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

hey bex. from memory they are 180 including pads. don't quote me on that. just call repco.

i stopd at repco 2day and askd and was tolld 179 EACH just the caliper NO PADS or new hose thats for the standerad vl brakes new, and the dude said vl turbos calipers are the same just finied. i thought they were twin spot, if there not twin spot i will b usiing the vt brakes i have got coz it would work out cheaper

vt>vl hubs 250bucks new
pair of front vl turbo calipers 360 bucks
new pipes for brakes 45 bucks each
then some discs 100+bucks each

so looks like the vts will go on eventully

[bangers]

Yes STANDARD turbo calipers are finned. The PBR are twinspot. You shouldn't need hoses. And the repco up the road does them as a kit with Ferozo pads. And you don't have to worry about new hubs and bearings. And the different offset. I was off with the price, sorry, i was half right at 180. just each not the pair.

[bangers]

Plus the PBR fit standard VLT pads.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

ok, my bad 4 got to mention i was lookn 4 PBR to the dude,
if new hose lines are 45 bucks new then wat would the price off braded lines? 80 bucks

[bangers]

i don't think the guy you were talking to is on the level. i researched the disc sizes while working as spare parts interpreter. i know the guy at repco i spoke too as i did stocktake with them. and i also spoke to a mate at mcarthur tyres. and all he does all day is brakes and suspension. I already said if you have the VT brakes by all means put them on. i wouldn't BUY them myself. If someone gave them to me... sh*t yeah i'd put them on too. I'm just concerned of the change in offset. i wouldn't mind someone here enlightening me.

[ucwepn]

Turbo calipers will not fit NA discs and vise versa, turbo calipers are very similar to na ones except they have the fins and some vents that the na does not. This aids dispersing the heat allot better than the NA calipers and also the turbo discs are 1 inch bigger than NA discs which will also aid stopping power. I got the calipers for $19 so I'm not complaining I will get a reco kit and some slotted rotors and fit them up.

[VL Berlina 5speed]

...sh*t yeah i'd put them on too. I'm just concerned of the change in offset. i wouldn't mind someone here enlightening me.

off set isnt that they total width of the wheel base side to side, coz if it is i will just have to rool the gaurds as my 15s are almost touchn allready

im not sure if theres any kits to fix this but i will findout soon,

[bangers]

turbo PBR calipers shouldn't be finned. they just house the normal turbo pads. so essentially they should be bigger than the nonturbo PBR calipers. what i meant by all the above is you can go and buy turbo pads and they'll fit straight into a PBR caliper (as long as they are the turbo caliper). you don't have to buy special pads.