VL, Holden or Nissan???
Do you think that a VL can really be classed as a Commodore? OR should it be reconised as a Nissan?
After all, Imagine if they replaced the 5.0 litre for the VN onwards with a Toyota V8... You wouldn't class it a Commodore, surely!!! It would be like Ford replacing their 4.0 litre with a Lexus straight 6...We'd be baggin the crap out of them!
so should we rename all the commodores after that Buicks and Chevys???
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just waht i was think, y dont we name the vs u drive a buick,
because the car has a engien from a diff company dosnt mean its not holden,
as what makes the car what it is, is the shape style apperance interor floorpan suspension etc, not just one thing makes the car what it is many parts make it
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Motors make there way into all sorts of cars mate. if someone makes a good one its can end up under the bonnets of multiple manafacturers vehicles.The 3.8 is a good example of Holden transplanting an engine from Buick.
If you got a heart transplant from a baboon would that make you a baboon??
I thought a Falcon with a Lexus engine would be an improvment !!!
Clear example America made the GEN III holdens worked it and send it back badged as a Pontiac GTO work that one out....?Originally Posted by Ravenblue
Izuzu make the Rodeo and classed as a Holden Rodeo
Even Opel,vaxhual Vectra is A Holden.... weird isn't it.
Clearly the Vl was in a big need of something different from Holden. In the 80's the 202 just wouldn't cut it for a 1986 model car so what were Holdens to do when there 3.8L buick was still in the new manufacturing and engineering stage for the VN New Model Commodore !.
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They are all sharing the parent company of GM. One big family of cars that interchage parts. Anything would be an improvment on the rubbish Ford au put out. Lexus would actually make them a good car
The V6 in the VN + cars are olny buick based. They had a lot of different stuff in them, they were not just imported transplants like LS1 and LS2 are.
They were designed off the buick platform and built to their own specs here in australia.
I think that the early V6's at least were a pale comparison to the buick version anyway.
Opel in europe were the inspiration for the early commodore body shape. They where almost identicle to look at. Do a google for "Opel Senator 1983".
Kain
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the holden v6's were pretty much bit for bit the same as a american buick LN3 v6. the main difference was the elbow and bigger throttlebody as most american ones were in FWD cars, so were east west placement and had space for a long tb neck. if kept the same, it would hit the firewall.
brackets are all the same, alternator is same, exhaust manifolds are obviously different for rwd application. few minor changes, but the majority of the motor was the same thing.
then the americans made the L27, which was pretty much a vn series 2/vp motor, but that had a different intake manifold while we retained the series 1 unit. they also got some crazy egr crap bolted to it, while we were lucky to keep our ecu controlled egr setup.
then they went to their series 3, which is what the ecotec is based on, but the intake manifold again are different to the american one.
etc, etc.
You wont find many difference in the motor in VN compared to a Pontiac, Inlet manifold/Throttle/Exhaust that's about it. They got here on a boat just like the gen III, made in the USA
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The only reason that the exhaust and intake is different on the Holdens compared to, Chevy, GMC, Buick, Oldsmobile and Saturn is due to the fact that they were used in FWD cars. Not rear wheel.
I'm hoping that people will soon realise that the 3.8 is NOT a Buick engine. Infact it is a GM motor which owns Buick and the motor is used across the board in all platforms. INCLUDING Cadillacs that are not using the Northstar V8
The 3.8 motor also comes in a 3.1 and a 3.4 size.
Trust me, look through the different cars released with Buick Badge on them....you don't want to own one of them! Let alone associate your own car with one.
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
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After this enlightenment maybe more people will realise the V8s are not just Chevy engines either. Doubt it though as it is a sore point for some.
My car, well it's just confused: Badged Toyota, put together by Holden and powered by an American GM motor.
Never
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Oh god no! Once again!, Chevy, GMC, Buick, Oldsmobile Pontiac and Saturn
I also noticed that I forgot to put that the 3.8 is also used in Pontiacs.
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
Brain function fading .
We won't get into from where some of the parts are sourced for assembly in the USA. That will just make people cry.
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personally i hate it it when people talk about this topic because ive had so many people on this forum tell me im not a true holden supporter just because i have a vl which has a nissan motor. It really pisses me off cause clearly i dont agree with em.
I think VL's came out with one of the sexiest commodore shapes. But thats my opinion, and yeah i really dont like it when people say its not a holden.
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Brain function fading .
You most certainly own a Holden so do I but it's badged as a Toyota.
We Lexcen owners cop a lot from others as well.
If we used the logic of the VL argument then there are no Holdens currently produced apart from the cars which are assembled overseas that use the Family II engine
This of course means that the Daewoo Nubira is a Holden and a Commodre is not.
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Tells it like it is.
Yeah it's a Holden. An engine/box combo isn't a car. Using your logic countless thousands of Pulsars and Saabs are Holden because they run a family II engine. Is the VN-VY a Buick (or Corvette)??
Most cars are a big conglomeration of bought in parts that are assembled by the manufacturer. The VL was assembled by Holden and is no different to any other car.
Reaper
Tells it like it is.
Fair comment. IMHO the Ser 1 VN motor was very symptomatic of what it was - a rough as guts rush job to get the car on the production line. They did get a lot better in the Ser II onwards.
In my experience the VP - VR and ecotec motors have proven exceptionally reliable with the bodies of the cars more often wearing out well before the engines do. This is a big step when you cast your mind back 10-15 years before that when a reco engine was routine about 1/2 way thru the cars life.
Reaper
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Reaper, I never mentioned about the quality of the motor. I was simply pointing out that it isn't a Buick motor.
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
VL Calais 5L
I have a VL - NOT powered by a Nissan.. the V8's are Holden...
So I own a Holsan? Or a Nisden?
All VLs are Holdens, whether they're powered by Nissan or not.
Whether people don't want to call them Holdens, is their own opinion, but the fact still remains, that on the rego, it's says Holden.
VLs always cop shit, from both sides.
I think the people who say that VLs are only good/quick, because they have a Nissan engine, are very ignorant.
If that was the case, then there would be no need for a gearbox, driveshaft, diff, tires, brakes etc.
The engine by itself, doesn't make a car, what it is.
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That doesn't make sense. She owns a car that is badged Holden but powered by nissan. So that makes her car a Holden correct? Yet your car is badged Toyota but powered by GM. So how does that make it a Holden?
I feel a flaming coming on here
You put you left foot in, your put your right foot in , you take your left foot out and you slide it all about!
snowballing
lol end of topic vl is a Holden allways has been allways will be if ur gonna start on things like this shit because it has something from another car can u really say that half the new holdens are really holdens if there bassed on the korean or wotever shit they got it from.
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LOL, love that comment.That doesn't make sense. She owns a car that is badged Holden but powered by nissan. So that makes her car a Holden correct? Yet your car is badged Toyota but powered by GM. So how does that make it a Holden?
Honestly does it really matter, if the other Commo owners are giving you a hard time just call their cars opels and be done with it.
As long as Holden dosn't turn the Commodore into a FWD drive car I'll be happy.
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