Will they scrape...

**1991_Vn2nV** · 24-10-2006, 07:05 PM

On saturday im putting lovells ultralows into the rear of a mates VL...

Now he has 18" VY SS mags wearing 235 tyres... And the Lovells Ultralows are a tad lower than King Spring Ultralows... AND his guards are NOT rolled and I have no intentions of rolling his guards...

So will I be wasting my time or not? Will the tyres scrub on his VL? If so I wont put them in til he gets his guards rolled...

I used to have these springs in my VN (Still use the fronts) and it used to scrub with 225 tyres... But the VL guards are different obviously so im not sure if it will scrub or not.

**bangers** · 24-10-2006, 07:14 PM

i'd near garrauntee it will scrub. plus his car will probably be illegally low.

**SUSPECT** · 24-10-2006, 07:18 PM

will scrub in the front most prolly but i wouldnt b so sure about the rears

**1991_Vn2nV** · 24-10-2006, 07:22 PM

Hmmm ok. It is only the rear the springs are going in.

And yeah it will be illegally low. They were in my car and I got done for 3 and a bit inches under the legal limit last year. Thats why they aint in my car now

He says he dont care but I say that'll change when he gets defected... But its his choice.

**bangers** · 24-10-2006, 07:29 PM

well the vl diffs are a fraction wider than the vn's i think so the rears will most likely scrub.

**1991_Vn2nV** · 24-10-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by bangers

well the vl diffs are a fraction wider than the vn's i think so the rears will most likely scrub.

Nah the VN diffs are wider than the VL diffs... Remembering how much larger a VN is than a VL.

A VL diff is like 21mm shorter each side. But the actual body of the VL is smaller also, so this doesnt necessarily mean much.

**RVN 355** · 24-10-2006, 07:45 PM

Put em in,if the car Bottoms out,damages the Tailshaft,Exhaust,Suspension,Tyres or Guards its too low!

**MaN|aC** · 24-10-2006, 07:47 PM

I had a VL with ultra lows with 17's (235) it scrubbed on the rear if I had any passengers in the car before I rolled the guards.

**mag** · 24-10-2006, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by subdue

Put em in,if the car Bottoms out,damages the Tailshaft,Exhaust,Suspension,Tyres or Guards its too low!

That's all true too!

There's going to be a few scratching their heads as how this has anything to do with tailshafts..

**GLD-086** · 24-10-2006, 09:34 PM

My VL has ultralow King springs, with set of 19 inch VY SSs and 235 series tyres and it doesn't rub.

Also my back left hand side, sags a bit. Just to give you an idea.

**rb26dett** · 24-10-2006, 09:57 PM

Does he have an adjustable panhard rod already?

**VL Berlina 5speed** · 24-10-2006, 10:40 PM

well after being garented by a fellow member that mine wont scrape when i get my mags in two weeks i just want to be 100% sure, as i dont want to have to run with 15s on the back till i can afford a adjust panhard.
so my question is will i defently not scrape with 235s and only king spring lows in the rear? unrolled guards

**CALAIS 6** · 24-10-2006, 10:55 PM

the guy i bought my vl off had vy ss 18's on it with king superlows and the rims woulda been mine if id seen it a day before and it scrubbed big time with them the marks are still there now LOL

**snake_VL** · 24-10-2006, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by VL Berlina 5speed

well after being garented by a fellow member that mine wont scrape when i get my mags in two weeks i just want to be 100% sure, as i dont want to have to run with 15s on the back till i can afford a adjust panhard.
so my question is will i defently not scrape with 235s and only king spring lows in the rear? unrolled guards

lol, depending on wheel offset it probably will without an adjustable panhard rod. i got 17's and then king spring lows and it did rub/cut the passenger side rear over bumps, i took about 5mm off the lip with a grinder to stop it doing it. then got adjustable panhard rod and did some more grinding and have superlows in it. watch the clips that hold on the rear bumper top moulds, they were cutting my tyres till i got rid of them. and the fronts, thats another story, ended up raising it 1/2 inch cos it just wouldn't stop stuffing the tyres

**1991_Vn2nV** · 25-10-2006, 09:08 AM

He has no Adjustable rear panhard rod...

These springs were a nuisance on my car. Constant guard scrubbing WITH rolled guards. I had to have my exhaust tightened several times as it was being scraped loose over every second bump AND I have a perfect indentation of my tail shaft on the bottom of my car.

**rb26dett** · 25-10-2006, 10:36 AM

Without the adjustable panhard rod, it will scrape.

**Dan355** · 25-10-2006, 10:58 AM

All the panhard rod does is align the diff left/right with the chassis. If its gona scrape it'l most probly be both sides hence panhard rod would be a waste of time. it could make the scraping more even lol. I had a vl diff in my vh with 16's and 225's was only lowered 21/2 inches and it scraped like a bitch with any form of load in the rear what so ever. You can expect it to scrape, ill put my money on it.

**ucwepn** · 25-10-2006, 12:28 PM

yeah the vl rear end sits to one side of the car and when lowered it moves over even more, the adjustable panhard rod will correct this. go out to your car (if you don't have an adjustable) and check the clearance on each side and you will see what I mean. The tailshaft breakage comment is perfectly valid as the diff is raised up under the car when the car is lowered it puts the tailshaft on a harder angle than what it was designed for and puts extra strain on the uni and CV joints until the enevitable happens.

**Dan355** · 25-10-2006, 01:56 PM

Yea it scraped fairly evenly so i left as is. I no longer have the vh. I bought a new tailshaft aswel for the diff. Came from efi 202 vk's. Apparently they have the v8 uni's ect....i thought they were all the same?

**rb26dett** · 25-10-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dan355

All the panhard rod does is align the diff left/right with the chassis. If its gona scrape it'l most probly be both sides hence panhard rod would be a waste of time. it could make the scraping more even lol. I had a vl diff in my vh with 16's and 225's was only lowered 21/2 inches and it scraped like a bitch with any form of load in the rear what so ever. You can expect it to scrape, ill put my money on it.

How can aligning the diff correctly with an adjustable panhard rod be a waste of time??

**bangers** · 25-10-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by VL Berlina 5speed

well after being garented by a fellow member that mine wont scrape when i get my mags in two weeks i just want to be 100% sure, as i dont want to have to run with 15s on the back till i can afford a adjust panhard.
so my question is will i defently not scrape with 235s and only king spring lows in the rear? unrolled guards

15's and lows shouldn't scrape. just be careful if you put people in the car.

**bangers** · 25-10-2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dan355

All the panhard rod does is align the diff left/right with the chassis. If its gona scrape it'l most probly be both sides hence panhard rod would be a waste of time. it could make the scraping more even lol. I had a vl diff in my vh with 16's and 225's was only lowered 21/2 inches and it scraped like a bitch with any form of load in the rear what so ever. You can expect it to scrape, ill put my money on it.

if you don't have an adjustable panhard rod you'll chew out your uni's quicker.

**VL Berlina 5speed** · 25-10-2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by bangers

15's and lows shouldn't scrape. just be careful if you put people in the car.

nah i know as curntly i am fine, but when i get by 18s in few weeks i dont want to find out it will scrape and have to have 15s on rear and 18s on front (looks sus) till i can get a panhard rod

**Dan355** · 25-10-2006, 11:38 PM

What im saying is if it scrapes evenly and the diff looks to be in good position.... then why get one? Its not going to change anything. I was mainly refering to the post that states if you get an adjustable panard rod it wont scrape ......wt

**nvs_sle** · 25-10-2006, 11:45 PM

my mate had a vl wagon with 18 vy ss's and ultras and it did scrape, his guards werent rolled i dont think but i reckon even if they were rolled and there were passengers it would bottom out for sure

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