your VL is alrady powerful enough

[harry3]

as an older driver who has seen many young people killed or crippled in car crashes, it worrys me that so many young VL drivers want extra power, this is OK for drag racing etc but really all VLs are powerful enough in stock condition, the non turbo 6 will do 120 mph if in good condition

if you want to improve your VL, think about premium quality tyres and improvements to the suspnsion and brakes first, an advanced driving course is also useful

a stock VL doesnt handle nearly as well as the more modern cars and allowances need to be made

[Sabby]

well said mate.

[Dose Pipe]

There never fast enough

[Sabbath']

as an older driver who has seen many young people killed or crippled in car crashes, it worrys me that so many young VL drivers want extra power, this is OK for drag racing etc but really all VLs are powerful enough in stock condition, the non turbo 6 will do 120 mph if in good condition

if you want to improve your VL, think about premium quality tyres and improvements to the suspnsion and brakes first, an advanced driving course is also useful

a stock VL doesnt handle nearly as well as the more modern cars and allowances need to be made

And lots of cars will go alot faster in stock form than a VL and have less driver protection. Why pick on VL's?

[ucwepn]

I'm happy with my vl's handling I have 18's with 225/40 on the front and 235/40 on the rear, If driven correctly can and does outhandle allot of newer cars. Also happy with my power output ATM from around 75-80 rwkw as standard to 104.6 rwkw.

105 rwkw= stock s15 200sx sr20det
95-100 rwkw= stock my99 wrx

And the vl exec is not exactly a heavyweight car so it gets along quite well for an auto NA.

I plan on bigger brakes in the near future because the stock brakes do not pull the car up anywhere near as well as I would like. Will be nothing out of the ordinary will go with a disc rear end and vs ss calipers and discs up front with braided lines all round.

I don't really use the power all the time, (it drinks too much if I do) but it is handy to have available for overtaking/tight spots etc.

[Shane1989]

I agree with what you said at the start. But for the few like me, when you have been driving 12 11 10 second cars pretty much all your life you know your limitations. If you guys havent figured it out yet, im an american. My first car was a 69 Camero that ran low 12's down the quarter. After that I was driving around in my brother in laws 88 Mustang which was a 10 second car. Then I bought my dads 71 Chevelle and still have it. Last time I heard, Jeremy ( my brother in law ) had it running high 10s down the Richmond dragstrip. I sold the Camero for 15,000 and then bought dads Chevelle and was working on it. Thats why I was driving the Mustang. But now I live in Australia and am driving a 14s 87 VL Commodore. But I love it, I don't have to be careful at all with the car unless im in a residentail area. Then I slow down quite a bit. Bottom line is that when you see these younger kids getting killed or injured badley in a car accident, its usually due to reckless driving. Or to put it better, lack of common sense and experience...

[Bax]

Well said again.

In summary, don't drive over your skill level. Don't drive like an ass anywhere in town. Time and place for everything, if theres 1% chance of hitting someone or something, don't do it.

[walesy]

this is the second thread on the same thing youve done harry3... i respect what your trying to do because yes i know how quick a stock vl with some little changes can be but i do agree with DARKVL that most older cars in stock form are dangerous...not just vl's, you point out that a vl can do high speeds in stock form but any car can get up to high speed with enough space, and most of them would have worse brakes/suspension than a vl...so maybe this thread should be called your COMMODORE is already powerful enough and give the VL owners a break.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Well said again.

In summary, don't drive over your skill level. Don't drive like an ass anywhere in town. Time and place for everything, if theres 1% chance of hitting someone or something, don't do it.

And we all live in a perfect world.....
As long as there are ignorant parents, they will breed ignorant children.

[Bax]

And at any stage of those lives these ignorant children can live for themselves and realise that they're in control of their own decisions.

[GLD-086]

I don't plan on modding mine heavily. I don't need a powerful car to prove anything, because I have nothing to prove.

Stock VLs aren't that bad. Handling wise they're not great, but what do you expect from a 20 year old family car? Supercar like handling? Pffft. I laugh at people that whinge about VLs Handling badly. (Not directed at anyone here)

[1991_Vn2nV]

They handle better than they accelerate hehe j/k

[kalais6]

as an older driver who has seen many young people killed or crippled in car crashes, it worrys me that so many young VL drivers want extra power, this is OK for drag racing etc but really all VLs are powerful enough in stock condition, the non turbo 6 will do 120 mph if in good condition

if you want to improve your VL, think about premium quality tyres and improvements to the suspnsion and brakes first, an advanced driving course is also useful

a stock VL doesnt handle nearly as well as the more modern cars and allowances need to be made

To be fair i think thats a pretty general comment, and seems quite strange that you have singled out VL's.

As a VL driver myself (i'm 26) I cant help but notice that the majority of younger drivers nowadays all seem to choose VS-VY's as their first cars. This makes sense as the value of these vehicles drop to within reachable prices for younger drivers. Now these cars could very well have moderately better handling but also go a lot quicker even in stock form, with pretty much any car being able to knock of 120mph with relative ease.

While I am in agreement that a lot yof younger drivers forget about stopping and handling and concentrate on simply going fast, this is across the board and not just aimed at VL drivers or even Commodore drivers for that matter as it relates to anyone modifying cars.

[shaggerz]

It's because VL drivers fit a certain stereotype

From whats been in the news lately though perhaps we should pick on VQ Stato drivers

[walesy]

that means you too younggun!!! haha jks

[GLD-086]

They handle better than they accelerate hehe j/k

Coming from a boat owner? Atleast our speedos aren't in knots per hour. jks

[walesy]

Coming from a boat owner? Atleast our speedos aren't in knots per hour. jks

bwahahaha SNAP!

[Burnout_bro]

well if im gonna die atleast it will be in a holden. irresponsible drivers are the ones who die, just coz someone wants a fast car doesnt mean they are more likely to be killed, in my opinion the more you mod your car the more care you take with it.

[Shane1989]

I agree with you. Although, sadley enough not everyone is that way. I take good care with my driving because the cops really like to pick on the people with VL's. Only because of the stereo type out here that everybody who drives a VL drives like a total D*&khead... That is DEFINANTLY NOT the case with some people.

[STEALTHY™]

I completely disagree with this thread. Whats the point of it. People like faster cars, some people cant drive and end up killing themselves.
Drive outside of your own and your cars limits and thats the end result.

the problem is nothing to do with peoples parents as suggested, its the government not making it compulsory for ALL drivers to do and advanced driving course. until that happens, people of all ages will still be killed.


"Older" drivers can't handle a car nearly as well as a younger person. Ever been to a drift comp? seen those guys that you think are too young to even have a license? your right, they don't, but they could still out drive any 'middle aged' or 'older' person in a hearbeat!

[shaggerz]

thats very naive of you stealthy. Just because there are a few young drivers out there with decent car handling skills doesnt mean that young drivers are better overall.. not to mention that driving in a drift comp requires a completely different set of skills to driving in traffic.

Better driver education is required, yes, but even with that it will take quite a few generations before this complacent attitude towards driving is bred out of society. A lot of our parents got their licenses by driving down the road, going around the roundabout and back again, so they are often riddled with bad habits they pass on to their children, and back then driver education was far worse than it is today, so its usually not the parents fault. It is simply a matter of time.. we just need to be patient and keep up the education and wait for the bad habits and insufficient driver education of the past to be bred out of people.

Relating more specifically to the topic, I reckon high performance cars are not a problem because the power is only in use when you open the throttle and allow it. Its an attitude thing more than anything else, and with time, people will come to understand that theres a time and a place for wide open throttle in your VL Turbo or powerdyne blown LS1, and that place is not on the street where you have no control of the environment, but on the track where everything is carefully controlled and kept as safe as possible.

[STEALTHY™]

naive? I don't think so. The thread starter was talking about young drivers being killed or crippled, which isn't going to happen if someone can't change lanes in traffic, or maintain a speed limit. Its when they are doing things illegally, to which would be in a very similar situation to a drift comp/burnout comp.

thats the only reason i related it to that.

[white vn ss]

anybody can be an irresponsible driver in any car. why is everybody pin pointing people that drive a certain type or model of car?

[walesy]

thats what i was sayin...and why just younger drivers?? everybody can have an accident, but media gets good ratings slandering the younger generation

[Burnout_bro]

120mph
??

why does that have anything to do with being killed, any car can get close to that speed but it will take longer, you cant just take someones hobby away from them because they want more power for their car, today i just got a new amp installed and i was testing it out and this old dude walked past and goes bloody p plater, wtf is everyones problem with p-platers ive never been in an accident or even close, there has been like 20 p plater deaths in the past year so how bout we slow down and u ol farts stop drink driving.