will rb30et motor fit into a vy

[sp001in]

I have seen pages in street commdores and zoom advertising kits for ecotecs to go into vls, and buick motor to go into eh's etc. my question is.

will a vl rb30et, go into my vy. since they can go backwards can they go forwards. forget about electrical issues for the moment. what would i need I.e cross member etc. will my v6 lsd vy diff handle the power (yes i think since they have similar power figures).

just thought rather than go through all the bull**** of turbocharging a brittly motor, why not go with the original power machine, get it in get it working, matt it up to a motec so i can retain the original dash, and everything else. then after a while go a rb25 head conversion and a manual later on.

[Astranomical]

You'd probably need a K-frame, you'd probably have to think about engine mounts and the like, will the gearbox bolt up, things like that. From what I can gather it'd be like doing an Ecotec conversion into an older Commodore, but the other way around. (instead of sticking Ecotec gear into an old girl, you'd be sticking Nissan gear into the VY, but it'd be pretty much the same otherwise)

Also, is it legal? If this is intended for road use, you'll have to look into that, IIRC you cannot legally run an engine thats older than the car for it to be street legal.

[sp001in]

Also, is it legal? If this is intended for road use, you'll have to look into that, IIRC you cannot legally run an engine thats older than the car for it to be street legal.

ah tooshay, something that i did not thing through even after 3 years of thinking about it. will look into tomorrow. i think that would come down to a emissions thing more than anything else, but definetly a good point.

[VN_Luke]

did someone say torana concept TT alloytech ?

do it

[sp001in]

did someone say torana concept TT alloytech ?

do it

i see you are doing a similar mod to your vn, have you found out if you can legally put the older motor into the newer car?

[Mr Squiggle]

Lukes is legal because you can swap anything from VL-VS series 2 back and forth. Also the VL-VS shave the same K frame mounts so you can swap a VL K frame into a VN-VS. I don't think the VT-VZ share the same K frame design. All in all it's a bit of trouble on a VY

[sp001in]

Lukes is legal because you can swap anything from VL-VS series 2 back and forth. Also the VL-VS shave the same K frame mounts so you can swap a VL K frame into a VN-VS. I don't think the VT-VZ share the same K frame design. All in all it's a bit of trouble on a VY

the vs has the same ecotec engine mounts as the vy ecotec. are you sure the vs is not the same

[VN_Luke]

It's got the same mounts, but it doesn't have the same k frame

you gotta swap the k frame in the vn-vs to a VL k frame, which has different engine mounts..

there's no rule about 'older motor newer car' - but there is a rule that any replacement engine must meet the same or more stringent emissions ADR's - VL conforms to adr37/00 - as does vn, vp and vr.

I was under the impression that VS was under stricted emissions adr's, hence the change to the squeakotech, however I have a table somewhere that specs when they were all introduced, which I'll find when I have a moment.

So in short summary - your conversion won't be legal 'out of the box' - you could get it emissions tested etc, but in reality seeing as you'd ahve to custom make mounts etc already, it'd be less EPA hassles (emissions testing etc) and more fun to mount a 2JZ, which should be legal with engineers - due to conforming to same ADR's as your car... (double check that!!) (providing you don't mod it) - and it would be just as different

[rb26dett]

Why not throw in the new GTR engine?

[Mr Squiggle]

I think the new emmissions law started when the 5 litre changed in the series 3 VS utes and statesmans and the first VT's all the other VS's are the same original unleaded ADR from the VL days. I agree Toyota 2JZ for the win

[sp001in]

It's got the same mounts, but it doesn't have the same k frame

you gotta swap the k frame in the vn-vs to a VL k frame, which has different engine mounts..

there's no rule about 'older motor newer car' - but there is a rule that any replacement engine must meet the same or more stringent emissions ADR's - VL conforms to adr37/00 - as does vn, vp and vr.

I was under the impression that VS was under stricted emissions adr's, hence the change to the squeakotech, however I have a table somewhere that specs when they were all introduced, which I'll find when I have a moment.

So in short summary - your conversion won't be legal 'out of the box' - you could get it emissions tested etc, but in reality seeing as you'd ahve to custom make mounts etc already, it'd be less EPA hassles (emissions testing etc) and more fun to mount a 2JZ, which should be legal with engineers - due to conforming to same ADR's as your car... (double check that!!) (providing you don't mod it) - and it would be just as different

i like where you are going with this.... I'm gonna sit on it for the time being. I love v8's, but love the rush of a turbo more. decisions decisions. i just don't wanna mod the ecotec, i see it as a waste, when I'm limited to a very sketchy MAX 300kw, and thats a suicidal 300kw, after around $20000. not worth it.

[VLDavo]

get a stroked gen 3 and turbo it best of both worlds

[badbt1]

mmmmm yeah i second that

[commo69]

Im not sure about over there but in wa u cannot put a motor that is older than the car into the car

[greenfoam]

You can the ADR rule is federal, just that everyones deluded over in the West and somehow invented their own simplified version of the law ;p

[vee ka]

for the expense of putting an RB30 into a VY you'd be better off turboing the V6... unless you can do all the work yourself, including all mods to the tailshaft, gearbox, engine mounts, K frame, etc etc not to mention the power steering, aircon and electrics. it wont be as cheap as you think.

[sheepz89]

i agree... why would u bother putting a RB30 into a VY?? Sure it'd be something different and probably learn a sh!t load from it, but i can't really think of any positive outcomes to it :P Vee ka and VLDavo have it right, if you turbo'd or even supercharged the v6 u'd be seeing much better performance and a lot less $$$ being spent and a lot less messing around... and a stroked and turbo'd gen III would be out of this world!!! ... however, on the other hand, if you were to pull it off i'd definatly shake your hand because it'd be one hell of an achievement haha especially with the RB25 head ... but at the end of the day its your decision and wish ya good luck in what ever u decide to do

[cohn]

Yes older motor into newer car is totally legal as long as you meet all ADR which comply with the later or the two items, in this car the car. So all items must meet the ADRs relating to your VY.
My opinion, don't touch the buick, waste of time. Just bolt a LS1 or LS2 and you'll get twice the poser for half the hassels