VLs aren't Holdens?
I was just reading through the latest Street Commodores magazine (Has an awesome GTO on the cover), and I was reading the "Talk Convertors" section, and noticed an anounymous HSV owner whinging about the amount of VLTs featured, but one thing that caught my eye is how he said they shouldn't be called Holdens. Why shouldnt they?
It annoys me. Just because they have Nissan motors doesn't make them less of a Holden.
Infact wouldnt that mean a VN-VR isn't a Holden either, because of the Buick V6? Hmmmm
I also get annoyed at how people call them a Skyline in disguise. Ok I guess the Ford XR5T is a Volvo in disguise, because of the Volvo 5 Cylinder?
My point is I don't like how most people base engine/drivetrain on brand of car. VLs are as much of a Holden as a HK GTS Monaro, because the compliance plates/rego say so.
What are your thoughts?
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Yeah you are right man, i agree with you.
Never the less i dont mind because im really not keen on VL's lol.
Similar sort of thing with late model commodores how they badge them as CHEVS, even though they are NOT.
Even funnier when ppl badge there cars as chevs with a v6 in it LOL
God that's even worse. lol
The LS* engines are NOT Chev motors anyway. It's GM powertain, because they're used in other GM companies. As for Chev badges on V6s those people should be taken to a field, and shot. In no way is a bloody V6 Commodore a Chev.
Just be proud to drive a Holden I reckon. I know everyone has an opinion on what they think a "real" Holden is, but if it says Holden on the compliance plate, well you can't argue with that.
street kiddo
omg the v6 is called the international v6 and is a gm developed engine duhOriginally Posted by Guru Spook
God that's even worse. lol
It's GM powertain, because they're used in other GM companies.
Eureka styles!
LS-EXUAL
A Holden is a Holden no matter what model it is. If a Chev has an LS1 in it, that doesn't make it a Holden.
A VL is still a Holden. The guy who wrote that in his little whinge letter obviously just doesn't like VL's. Who cares, he is one person. Besides, i'll bet all of the VLT's featured in SC would absoloutly wipe his HSV off the drag strip. He is just ****ty he can't get the power some of the VLT's can.
Uh huh?
Well that would add further mystery as to why anyone would put a Chev badge on a V6 Commodore. WTF makes it a Chev?
Anyway back to the original point.
I've even heard some stupid stories that Nissan BUILT the VL. Not just the engine, but the entire car. God there are some morons around.
One thing I'm glad is I've never seen a VL with a Nissan badge. Only as far as a Nissan rocker cover. Which is technically correct.
LS-EXUAL
Even people who most commonly put Chev Badges on VY SS ute's. I can't stand it lol.
The reason vl,s cop so much flack about being some sort of hybrid is because they where the first holden to come out with an all new 6cyl powerplant, and the fact the motor was japanese added more dislike to the mix! (as most aussies loved the 202) it was only after the fact that the police started using the turbo models as police cars that people took any real notice of the potential of the nissan motor, but your right, theres not to much of holden that isnt imported these days!
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I'd rather drive a RBT25 or RBT30 than a 202!!
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its funny actually, for all the flack it copped @ the time of its release the rb30 was a very advanced motor for its time, especially when compared with the 202:P
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VL's are more Holden than most Holdens simply because they have one less part that's owned by the Yanks. You might say my VP is a pure Holden since th 5 litre is in it. Pity the rest of the car is German
Only the Skylines have the Nissan rocker cover manUh huh?
Well that would add further mystery as to why anyone would put a Chev badge on a V6 Commodore. WTF makes it a Chev?
Anyway back to the original point.
I've even heard some stupid stories that Nissan BUILT the VL. Not just the engine, but the entire car. God there are some morons around.
One thing I'm glad is I've never seen a VL with a Nissan badge. Only as far as a Nissan rocker cover. Which is technically correct.
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VS-VY ecotecs are buick motors too...
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Well all Commodores VB-VZ have German DNA. Actually in that respect, wouldnt the VL be the least German of the lot, since it's so different in body shape to the Opels?VL's are more Holden than most Holdens simply because they have one less part that's owned by the Yanks
Yeah I know. Which is why I said if anyone was going to put anything Nissan related on their VL RB30 it should be the Nissan rocker cover, as it's technically correct.
They are? Didn't know that. Thought they were designed here.
I'm not being sarcastic. I genuinely didn't know.
Yeah I remember when they first came out.
Such a big change from the old 202, and people just generally didn't like the car. It wasn't until (like you said) the police started using them that people saw how much potential they have. Look now they're one of the most modified cars in Australia.
Even to this day they still get a mixed reaction. Always said that VLs have the strangest fanbase. As much as it's hated, it's also loved.
Definitely the most controversial Holden ever made.
So what about the toyota davenport/lexen (god i hope i got that right). I guess they are technically a holden, just with a toyota badge.
But i hate seeing the holden badge on a toyota lexen as well.
On a side note, driving down the monash freeway i saw a WHII Statesman with a "Supercharged LS8" badge on the side... Blew me away, didnt even know there was a LS8 yet.
Didnt get a chance to see if it was intercooled, but **** that would be fast.
You know wikipedia has good information about Holden mixing in with other brands:
Holden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seriously, VL is still part of Holden because Nissan never made RB30 to the public for Nissan Skylines and if I'm not mistaken, across all Nissan sedan. OS Giken produced kits to turn RB25/RB26 to RB30 but smart people who live in Australia knows VL are equipped with RB30 that can be made into RB25/RB26 head with RB30 bottom. Same thing vice versa with VL having RB25/RB26 head.
Last but not least VL never came with only straight 6 N/A (Natural Aspirated) and straight 6 turbo namely RB30E and RB30ET. VL also came with V8 engine as well. So for someone to say VL isn't commodore is pretty stupid to come up with a lame comment when there were 3 options for engine choices that were included for the customer to choose on the VL.
Last edited by VSIIISU; 30-03-2008 at 12:01 PM.
Lexcens have a Holden buildsheet under the carpet is says Holden Motor Company VN blah blah blah then in little writing where it says customers name it normally says.. "Testra" or "Victorian Police" it just says "Toyota" so not really all that different. In the build options are some different codes for the Toyota grill and such of course
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There is no such thing as an LS8.
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LOL. Owned.
The r31 skyline has the rb30e in it. Nissan never used the rb30 turbo in any skyline. I am not quite shore if holden developed the turbo charged rb30.
The VL 6 is a cult car for one reason.... the motor.
1988 VL Berlina turbo 5 speed
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...ml#post1446411
1987 VL SL turbo 5 speed ~STOLEN~
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...ed-manual.html
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I guy i used to work with had chev badges on his VL
When you think about it the VT Series I was probably the most Holden, Holden ever built because it still retained the 5.0L and it had the most Australian content.
If people call a VL not a Holden they are wrong, they are as much a holden as VN/P/R/S.
We got rep back, yaaay!
Ok correction, you were right about R31 being fitted with RB30E. I thought they were fitted with RB20 instead of RB30. However since then Nissan dived down to RB20/RB25/RB26 with the later models afaik.
Yup, they are already popular with those who do engine transplants here into their skyline or converting VL into DOHC.
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